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Bad ideas in war

The replacement for the Constellation class seems pretty rubbish too
 
jimbob said:
The replacement for the Constellation class seems pretty rubbish too
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It's pretty amazing how the USN has managed to screw up something as simple, important, and low-cost as a new class of frigates. Even buying the base design from someone else who's already figured it out seems beyond them.

For this reason alone, I'm not optimistic about them trying their hands at a new battleship class.

That said, I'm not convinced that a modern take on the battleship is a bad idea in principle. I do have concerns about the propriety of pitting a battleship against shore batteries in an artillery duel, though.
 
The RN are building a Frigate design that seems popular, at least two other countries are going for it.
Maybe the US could join the team
 
theprestige said:
That said, I'm not convinced that a modern take on the battleship is a bad idea in principle. I do have concerns about the propriety of pitting a battleship against shore batteries in an artillery duel, though.
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I agree with the previous parts of this post but wanted to expand on this part.

It seems to want to be everything except for a submarine and an aircraft carrier. But the pitting it against shore batteries is symptomatic, I think. A lot of its weapons are short range. Then it has some that are supposedly intended to be able to reach anywhere on Earth. Why put those together? I'm also unsure what capability the ability to carry a V22 gives to such a vessel? Wouldn't an assault ship do that better? Yes some helicopter and drone capability is vital, and I guess special forces might be able to use one but a 35,000t ship seems a very expensive taxi for such a niche role. It shouldn't have to perform the roles of a whole task force. It should probably be the lead vessel where a carrier is not appropriate, or possibly, like the fast battleships in the Pacific at the end of WWII l, as specialist air defence for a carrier group. But one reason they had that role was because they were already built and it was the best use of existing resources, and if they weren't there, other, cheaper ships would have to have been built for that role.
 
Andy_Ross said:
The RN are building a Frigate design that seems popular, at least two other countries are going for it.
Maybe the US could join the team
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Hollow laugh.

But yes there are at least 3 appropriate modern frigate designs that would be better (four including the Constellation class)
 
jimbob said:
I agree with the previous parts of this post but wanted to expand on this part.

It seems to want to be everything except for a submarine and an aircraft carrier. But the pitting it against shore batteries is symptomatic, I think. A lot of its weapons are short range. Then it has some that are supposedly intended to be able to reach anywhere on Earth. Why put those together? I'm also unsure what capability the ability to carry a V22 gives to such a vessel? Wouldn't an assault ship do that better? Yes some helicopter and drone capability is vital, and I guess special forces might be able to use one but a 35,000t ship seems a very expensive taxi for such a niche role. It shouldn't have to perform the roles of a whole task force. It should probably be the lead vessel where a carrier is not appropriate, or possibly, like the fast battleships in the Pacific at the end of WWII l, as specialist air defence for a carrier group. But one reason they had that role was because they were already built and it was the best use of existing resources, and if they weren't there, other, cheaper ships would have to have been built for that role.
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Yeah, that's about where I'm at.
 
Andy_Ross said:
The RN are building a Frigate design that seems popular, at least two other countries are going for it.
Maybe the US could join the team
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And then customize it to have less than 25% commonality, give the contract you a company owned by one of Trump's buddies, and cancel it after spending billions for nothing.
 
jimbob said:
Hollow laugh.

But yes there are at least 3 appropriate modern frigate designs that would be better (four including the Constellation class)
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Face it, the UK alone has two frigate designs that would be better, the type 31 and the type 26. Both of which have been exported at some level
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
Bad idea in war? Multiple missions for the win. Conflicting missions, like "defeat the penguin navy" AND "teach them polar bears a lesson!"
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Bonus points for those being on opposite ends of the world
 
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