Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[acbytesla]

Not everyone wants what you want. What you want bleeds over to where it isn't wanted.

No they don't. Never suggested they did.

But your second point is false. It doesn't. Don't search for it online and it won't come up. That didn't use to be true. But it pretty much is true today. And if you do stumble upon it, just close the web page. Very simple. Your problem is that you're afraid they won't.

Let's put it another way - some want porn so much (want easy access, free content) that they hand wave when presented with the facts about kids seeing it.

And, yes, it's verging on child sex abuse. An adult showing porn to kids in the UK is such abuse - and the porn industry doing virtually the same by wallpapering the net is guilty too.

I'm with the FTC - they are morally bankrupt...for many reasons.

Like I said, some countries ban it.

And you still fail to demonstrate the harm. Yes some countries do. Like pretty much h every Muslim country. But not any progressive countries that I am aware of.

 

[Poem]

No they don't. Never suggested they did.

But your second point is false. It doesn't. Don't search for it online and it won't come up. That didn't use to be true. But it pretty much is true today. And if you do stumble upon it, just close the web page. Very simple. Your problem is that you're afraid they won't.


And you still fail to demonstrate the harm. Yes some countries do. Like pretty much h every Muslim country. But not any progressive countries that I am aware of.

I cite the fact that you won't and don't show porn to your kids. Why not? If porn does no harm, why are we doing it in private? Or do you want a revolution in that respect too? If not, why not? Maybe you do want that - you couldn't care less if kids see it anyway.

 

[arthwollipot]

In the interest of intellectual integrity I'll post this article by Anna Arrowsmith which puts the pro-porn view (it is from The Guardian (2011)):

Thanks, but I notice that you haven't attempted to address anything said in that 14-year old article. Do you agree with it?

 

[acbytesla]

I cite the fact that you won't and don't show porn to your kids. Why not?
If porn does no harm, why are we doing it in private? Or do you want a revolution in that respect too? If not, why not? Maybe you do want that - you couldn't care less if kids see it anyway.

I believe that children are on their own journey through life. A journey for their generation. Not mine. Showing them pornography would likely embarrass the hell out of them. They will discover it when they're interested. Not when I might arbitrarily decide to show them.. Plus, society would find that wrong, perhaps even illegal. As if I'm grooming them.

And guess what? They do.

 

[Poem]

No, you're wrong. "Potentially," doesn't mean crap. That would get thrown out in a second. Let me know when someone in the UK is charged with that offense.

#1,369

International Comparative Legal Guides (ICLG):
In a decision handed down on 15 February (2024), the Court of Appeal of England and Wales has upheld a finding that a mother and a father sexually abused their seven-year-old daughter by repeatedly exposing her to inappropriate adult sexual material, such as pornography and sexual images, on their mobile phones and other devices.

 

[Poem]

Replace mother and father with Aylo and the online porn industry and you have, pretty much, an exact equivalence.

 

[Helen]

Replace mother and father with Aylo and the online porn industry and you have, pretty much, an exact equivalence.

No. Being abused by your mother and father is nothing at all like stumbling across porn, that is utterly ridiculous. If you honestly think that, which I doubt, you are very wrong.

Children should be taught about sex (by their parents as well as in school) in age appropriate ways, and when nearing puberty, you should also discuss porn with them.

 

[Poem]

No. Being abused by your mother and father is nothing att all like stumbling across, that is utterly ridiculous. If you honestly think that, which I doubt, you are very wrong.

You do accept, then, that what the parents did was sexual abuse?

You say it's different, but the end result is the same - a child being exposed to such content. The parents actively fed her as does the porn industry to any potential consumer. Let's not forget that data harvesting is worth money to the industry: advertisers who want to know what videos a consumer has been watching pay for such info in order to target more efficiently.

Children should be taught about sex (by their parents as well as in school) in age appropriate ways, and when nearing puberty, you should also discuss porn with them.

In the real world kids see porn, whether on their own device or that of their peers. And many end up doing exactly what the daughter did in this case - they send self made porn on their phones. Why wouldn't they? - they are just doing what the adults have normalised. They can even watch 'barely legal' porn where some of the actors look a bit like themselves...underage. It's all just so normal...kids and porn.

The porn industry, whilst it might not be breaking the letter of the law, is breaking the spirit.

 

[Helen]

You don't see the difference? Really? Then there's no use trying to explain it to you, it ought to be glaringly obvious to someone who professes to be deeply concerned for the welfare of children.

And as for the rest of it; sex ed at home and in school. Prepare your kids for the world.

 

[Poem]

You don't see the difference? Really? Then there's no use trying to explain it to you, it ought to be glaringly obvious to someone who professes to be deeply concerned for the welfare of children.

Which explains nothing. Upload porn to free tube sites and claim you made sure that children would be protected from it? Being cognisant of children's natural curiosity means you know with almost 100% certainty that you are effectively showing kids porn.

And as for the rest of it; sex ed at home and in school. Prepare your kids for the world.

Read: prepare your kids for the world that society has decided to wallpaper the internet with - rule 34 content. Remember kids have a right (care of the UNCRC) to safe access to mass media free from porn.

 

[Helen]

You really do like that phrase, "wallpaoer the internet", but repeating it does not make it true. Yes, you should prepare your kids for what the world might subject them to. If porn is the worst they have to face, they are very lucky.

 

[Poem]

You really do like that phrase, "wallpaoer the internet", but repeating it does not make it true.

Nothing to do with me.

As one young person said to us: “Basically, porn is everywhere.”
(Sue Berelowitz Deputy Children’s Commissioner for England (from the study '“Basically... porn is everywhere”))

Your study that that isn't the case is what?

Yes, you should prepare your kids for what the world might subject them to. If porn is the worst they have to face, they are very lucky.

Or we decide to do the right thing and take on the industry and, effectively, society.

 

[Helen]

It's your claim to prove. And, it appears, your problem to solve.

Vaccinate your children by educating them.

 

[Poem]

It's your claim to prove. And, it appears, your problem to solve.

You deny that the porn industry is culpable in the way I described. I provided evidence and you go silent. No studies, no evidence. Nothing.

 

[Darat]

Nothing to do with me.

As one young person said to us: “Basically, porn is everywhere.”
(Sue Berelowitz Deputy Children’s Commissioner for England (from the study '“Basically... porn is everywhere”))

Your study that that isn't the case is what?

Or we decide to do the right thing and take on the industry and, effectively, society.

Although you don’t understand what that report was about, from the report

…Research in this area is fraught with ethical difficulties. While this report has shed considerable light on this complex and important issue, there is no doubt that much more work needs to be done before definitive statements can be made about causal links between the useof pornography and perpetrators going on to commit sexual abuse or exploitation…..​

 

[Helen]

You deny that the porn industry is culpable in the way I described. I provided evidence and you go silent. No studies, no evidence. Nothing.

If you say they are culpable in the way you describe, then it's on you to prove that.

 

[Poem]

Although you don’t understand what that report was about, from the report

…Research in this area is fraught with ethical difficulties. While this report has shed considerable light on this complex and important issue, there is no doubt that much more work needs to be done before definitive statements can be made about causal links between the useof pornography and perpetrators going on to commit sexual abuse or exploitation…..​

They named the report after a child's comment - that was the essence of my response to the claim that:

You really do like that phrase, "wallpaoer the internet", but repeating it does not make it true....................

You don't head a report with such words if you think that's unsubstantiated. It equates with describing the net as wallpapered.

 

[Poem]

If you say they are culpable in the way you describe, then it's on you to prove that.

See previous post.

 

[Poem]

Although you don’t understand what that report was about, from the report

…Research in this area is fraught with ethical difficulties. While this report has shed considerable light on this complex and important issue, there is no doubt that much more work needs to be done before definitive statements can be made about causal links between the useof pornography and perpetrators going on to commit sexual abuse or exploitation…..​

Are you going to respond to #4,176?

 

[Darat]

Again nothing for me to respond to.