Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[acbytesla]

Ok.

Already have done so. We ban porn until the industry starts acting responsibly (as in not showing their content to kids). Those children have a right to mass media. Again, where are the SJWs? It's a clear case of a vulnerable minority being treated appallingly by those who should know better. Essentially, it's sexual abuse.

Aylo remains demonstrably 'morally bankrupt' and should be 'crippled by financial liabilities'.

And you dare to talk about utilitarianism? Clearly, your focus lies with existentialism and nihilism.

Morally bankrupt? LMAO! Whose morals are we talking about? Isn't killing immoral? Yet children have seen thousands of killings on TV by the age of ten. Why not ban television evangelists from TV? I think they are immoral.

 

[Poem]

Morally bankrupt? LMAO! Whose morals are we talking about? Isn't killing immoral? Yet children have seen thousands of killings on TV by the age of ten. Why not ban television evangelists from TV? I think they are immoral.

#3,267

 

[Darat]

Are you going to reply to #4,066 and #4,013?

Nothing to reply to.

 

[Poem]

Nothing to reply to.

According to you:

Yep - we know the real harm done to kids is from the like of the social media companies, in a hierarchy of harm "accidentallY" coming across porn is way down the list for evidence of harm.

yet the OSA has porn as Primary Priority Content:

The UK government explaining the OSA:
The categories of harmful content that platforms need to protect children from encountering are set out in the Act. Children must be prevented from accessing Primary Priority Content, and should be given age-appropriate access to Priority Content. The types of content which fall into these categories are set out below.

Primary Priority Content
- pornography

 

[Poem]

Nothing to reply to.

As a point porn sites don’t use a suggestion of incest in their titles as such porn would be illegal in many, many countries.

All I am asking for is a citation. You have failed to provide one.

 

[Darat]

According to you:

yet the OSA has porn as Primary Priority Content:

The UK government explaining the OSA:
The categories of harmful content that platforms need to protect children from encountering are set out in the Act. Children must be prevented from accessing Primary Priority Content, and should be given age-appropriate access to Priority Content. The types of content which fall into these categories are set out below.

Primary Priority Content
- pornography

As I said nothing for me to reply to.

All I am asking for is a citation. You have failed to provide one.

For the UK I gave you the primary cites i.e. links to the actual legislation weeks ago.

 

[acbytesla]

Still no evidence of actual harm. Just religious zealots making up crap.

 

[arthwollipot]

We ban porn until the industry starts acting responsibly (as in not showing their content to kids).

This will do nothing except push porn to the dark web and black market, where it will be taken over by malicious actors and be immeasurably worse for kids.

And you dare to talk about utilitarianism? Clearly, your focus lies with existentialism and nihilism.

Did you watch the video I posted earlier about Optimistic Nihilism?

I just want to know precisely the damage that watching porn causes to the viewer and how this was determined. I get that there are anti-porn zealots who see pornography as disgusting or degrading. But that doesn't address the damage.

I was asking that pages and pages ago, and Poem steadfastly refused to answer. He will continue to refuse to answer no matter how many times we ask.

 

[acbytesla]

This will do nothing except push porn to the dark web and black market, where it will be taken over by malicious actors and be immeasurably worse for kids.

Exactly! Prohibition didn't stop the consumption of alcohol. It's arguable it hardly slowed it down.

Did you watch the video I posted earlier about Optimistic Nihilism?

Of course he didn't.

I was asking that pages and pages ago, and Poem steadfastly refused to answer. He will continue to refuse to answer no matter how many times we ask.

You're right. He won't. But in his defense, he can't. It's doubtful anyone can.

Most of the people on the anti- porn crusade do it because one, their religion is against everything sexual. Or two, they can't get anyone to join them in the sack. Or three, they have some misguided ideas about the good old days. Which were never as good as they think.

 

[arthwollipot]

Most of the people on the anti- porn crusade do it because one, their religion is against everything sexual. Or two, they can't get anyone to join them in the sack. Or three, they have some misguided ideas about the good old days. Which were never as good as they think.

To be fair, most churches aren't against everything sexual. Generally they are against sex outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage. And as we know humans as a species are neither naturally monogamous nor naturally heterosexual, so it's basically set up for failure.

 

[acbytesla]

To be fair, most churches aren't against everything sexual. Generally they are against sex outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage. And as we know humans as a species are neither naturally monogamous nor naturally heterosexual, so it's basically set up for failure.

I understand that most churches aren't. But few people that say they are Christian are anti-pornography crusaders either. From my perspective the vast majority of Christians know little of their theology. Church for many of them is an important social obligation.

Still, the Catholic Church is against not only sex outside of marriage, but masturbation, pornography and birth control. I've heard sermons that sex is for procreation only. A lot of churches also promote "abstinence only education."

 

[arthwollipot]

It's also important to remember that Christianity isn't monolithic. There are a lot of different attitudes towards sex, from the everything-fun-is-sin of Calvinism to the lip-service-but-cheat of Evangelism.

 

[Darat]

...snip...

Still, the Catholic Church is against not only sex outside of marriage, but masturbation, pornography and birth control. I've heard sermons that sex is for procreation only. A lot of churches also promote "abstinence only education."

Don't forget the RCC has the Pauline view that marriage should only be for those that can't manage celibacy, it's the lesser of two evils.

 

[Poem]

Don't forget the RCC has the Pauline view that marriage should only be for those that can't manage celibacy, it's the lesser of two evils.

For me, that does not even begin to evaluate all the aspects of such a question - but I think I / we would getting off topic in attempting to do so. One could, for example, look at OT polygamy which was not explicitly rebuked unless it was with foreign or already married women. I don't see anyone in the NT (or any Christian for that matter) bringing up the fact that David, the polygamist, was described (by God (apparently)) as a man after God's own heart. That muddies the water somewhat does it not?

 

[Poem]

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Genesis 2:24
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Obviously, a God that thought that celibacy was somehow 'better' than marrying might end up with...well, no humans.

 

[dirtywick]

This will do nothing except push porn to the dark web and black market, where it will be taken over by malicious actors and be immeasurably worse for kids.

you don't even need it to go to the dark web or black market, a porn ban does the same thing a gambling ban does. shifts it over seas to a less regulated market, they region block whatever region has banned them and continue to operate normally.

and in exchange for making them even less accountable than they already are, you don't even address the root cause of the problem that kids aren't even being exposed to porn on porn sites, it's on social media and other "safe" sites that are either incapable or unwilling to moderate their content adequately.

 

[arthwollipot]

Don't forget the RCC has the Pauline view that marriage should only be for those that can't manage celibacy, it's the lesser of two evils.

Yeah Paul was clearly an ace. But we've seen how well celibacy works in the church.

 

[acbytesla]

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Genesis 2:24
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Obviously, a God that thought that celibacy was somehow 'better' than marrying might end up with...well, no humans.

No one said the Bible makes sense.

 

[Poem]

you don't even need it to go to the dark web or black market, a porn ban does the same thing a gambling ban does. shifts it over seas to a less regulated market, they region block whatever region has banned them and continue to operate normally.

Again, where does that leave slavery?

and in exchange for making them even less accountable than they already are, you don't even address the root cause of the problem that kids aren't even being exposed to porn on porn sites, it's on social media and other "safe" sites that are either incapable or unwilling to moderate their content adequately.

Kids are being exposed on porn sites - but you are right in highlighting that most see it on social media first.

Sex is Kind of Broken Now (page 19):

Strikingly 8 out of the top 10 sources of pornography were social media or social networking sites, showing that any steps these technology companies were taking prior to the rule changes - which happened when the protection for children’s code came into effect at the end of July 2025 – were ineffective. Dedicated porn services and search engines are also in the top 10. All 10 of these sources of pornography for children are regulated services under the Online Safety Act 2023, which means they are expected to meet the relevant safety duties this side of the rule change.

 

[Poem]

To be fair, most churches aren't against everything sexual. Generally they are against sex outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage.
And as we know humans as a species are neither naturally monogamous nor naturally heterosexual, so it's basically set up for failure.

Not naturally heterosexual? Without a preponderance of that persuasion then genes would have had greater difficulty in achieving survival to the next generation - which is what they are built for...since that is the essence of life under the theory.

I think we humans find monogamy a challenge - but if we want to improve our societies then that is going to be extremely important. Again, it's a hugely complex subject beyond the thread's remit.