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Obviously they need to retrain into an AI animation touch-up career, providing 5-times the output at a fifth of the pay. Those with compunctions will be left behind.

I hate it, but what're you gonna do?
 
I'm trying to think what animation work he did that he has been effected to such an extent. At best you get 20 seconds out of the AI models, even the ones released over the last couple of weeks can't keep anything like consistency over that period, especially if you want cuts back and forward.

Here's a quick animation using one of my own cartoons, nice and simple cartoon, few colours, told it to pull the camera back, the puppy pounces on the ball, the ball rolls away and the puppy chases it - 10 second clip.


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It's not the worse animation but no one who was willing to pay for animation is going to be satisfied with that!
 
Darat said:
It's not the worse animation but no one who was willing to pay for animation is going to be satisfied with that!
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Except you get this one for free, or for a fraction of what you would pay for a human to make it. The increasing amount of AI animation in video games or anime seems to indicate that satisfaction is not that important.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Except you get this one for free, or for a fraction of what you would pay for a human to make it. The increasing amount of
AI animation in video games or anime seems to indicate that satisfaction is not that important.
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Any examples of this?
 
Darat said:
I'm trying to think what animation work he did that he has been effected to such an extent. At best you get 20 seconds out of the AI models, even the ones released over the last couple of weeks can't keep anything like consistency over that period, especially if you want cuts back and forward.

Here's a quick animation using one of my own cartoons, nice and simple cartoon, few colours, told it to pull the camera back, the puppy pounces on the ball, the ball rolls away and the puppy chases it - 10 second clip.


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It's not the worse animation but no one who was willing to pay for animation is going to be satisfied with that!
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Presumably they are losing business to cheaper AI-assisted animation, rather than animation that is exclusively AI.

A few touch ups to make it acceptable vs. someone doing the animation from scratch.
 
Olmstead said:
Presumably they are losing business to cheaper AI-assisted animation, rather than animation that is exclusively AI.

A few touch ups to make it acceptable vs. someone doing the animation from scratch.
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But which business? This is someone making a very specific claim, but I don't know anywhere that previously paid for animation is now no longer paying for it. Within animation tools you are seeing more AI features but these are still tools for animators. At the moment the "AI video generators" can't replace animators, they do however give more people an ability to be creative. There are some creative folk that have been able to use the limited ability of AI video generators to produce creative output but again that isn't at the expense of someone no longer being paid.

Now I do think the tools will only get better and better and that they will eventually be able to produce what many businesses need but we aren't there yet.
 
Darat said:
But which business? This is someone making a very specific claim, but I don't know anywhere that previously paid for animation is now no longer paying for it. Within animation tools you are seeing more AI features but these are still tools for animators. At the moment the "AI video generators" can't replace animators, they do however give more people an ability to be creative. There are some creative folk that have been able to use the limited ability of AI video generators to produce creative output but again that isn't at the expense of someone no longer being paid.

Now I do think the tools will only get better and better and that they will eventually be able to produce what many businesses need but we aren't there yet.
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They're still paying for animation, they're just choosing cheaper options. Animators (or animation companies) who rely heavily on AI can do more animation in less time, i.e. they are able to offer lower prices for the same product. Which means that animation from scratch is less and less competitive on the market. I'm sure touching up AI animation requires skill as well, but I sympathize with those who don't want to go from animators to touch up artists, especially since it means throwing half their skillset out the window.

That's my understanding at least.

A small cynical part of me does voice the sentiment that countless skillsets have been made redundant throughout history, and no one cries for them today.
 
Dr.Sid said:
www.dw.com

Why Japan's animation industry has embraced AI – DW – 05/20/2025

Japan's laws allow the use of copyrighted content to train AI models. Even though artists are worried for their future, some of the country's cultural and social aspects might make it easier to accept AI.
www.dw.com www.dw.com

And that's about Stable-diffusion, which is antique tech by now.
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Apart from the one example in that article it's another "future facing" report. I am sure it will happen (but a collapse of the AI bubble could push it some time into the future), the post that I was responding to was saying they have already lost 80% of their animation work. I don't believe that statement based on what I know at the moment.
 
Olmstead said:
They're still paying for animation, they're just choosing cheaper options. Animators (or animation companies) who rely heavily on AI can do more animation in less time, i.e. they are able to offer lower prices for the same product. ...snip...
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But there is no evidence for that, the software is not at that point (yet).
 
sure, practical effects vs cgi is similar. of course, cgi didn't make anything cheaper, people kind of hated it and still love practical effects. i'm not sure that ai is cheaper either, these tech companies are all fudging the numbers and operating at a huge loss.

they're both faster and take less actual effort, i'd say. you can ◊◊◊◊ out a good enough 15 second youtube ad in a few minutes essentially for free as the ai companies continue to foot the bill. pretty appealing i'd imagine even if the ai does the worst job out of every option.
 
dirtywick said:
sure, practical effects vs cgi is similar. of course, cgi didn't make anything cheaper, people kind of hated it and still love practical effects. i'm not sure that ai is cheaper either, these tech companies are all fudging the numbers and operating at a huge loss.

they're both faster and take less actual effort, i'd say. you can ◊◊◊◊ out a good enough 15 second youtube ad in a few minutes essentially for free as the ai companies continue to foot the bill. pretty appealing i'd imagine even if the ai does the worst job out of every option.
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You can do even videos locally. And certainly stable-diffussion (ie images, or image assistance). It's not free, but compared to paying a person to do it, it is.
 
William Parcher said:
If you ask an AI to draw a picture of itself or a self portrait what do you get?
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They’ll tell you they have no physical form and will offer to draw some silly glowing represtation.

Grok even animated it and put in deep meaningful ethereal sounds…
 

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