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The Behavior Of US Police Officers - Part 3

So because of The Algorithm I've seen a lot of police bodycam videos recently. Point 1 - if you're being cuffed, just comply and sue later if you have a case. Right or wrong they have force on their side, so what do you think you'll gain? Even if you're being wronged you'll just add "assault on an LEO' to your charges.

Point 2 - once you're in cuffs, has kicking/scratching/spitting ever gotten you out of them?

I just find myself wanting to ask these people in the videos, guilty or innocent, "your endgame was ... what ?"
 
Joe Random said:
So because of The Algorithm I've seen a lot of police bodycam videos recently. Point 1 - if you're being cuffed, just comply and sue later if you have a case. Right or wrong they have force on their side, so what do you think you'll gain? Even if you're being wronged you'll just add "assault on an LEO' to your charges.

Point 2 - once you're in cuffs, has kicking/scratching/spitting ever gotten you out of them?

I just find myself wanting to ask these people in the videos, guilty or innocent, "your endgame was ... what ?"
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Totally get your point, but rage at being caged isn't rational by definition.
 
Joe Random said:
So because of The Algorithm I've seen a lot of police bodycam videos recently. Point 1 - if you're being cuffed, just comply and sue later if you have a case. Right or wrong they have force on their side, so what do you think you'll gain? Even if you're being wronged you'll just add "assault on an LEO' to your charges.

Point 2 - once you're in cuffs, has kicking/scratching/spitting ever gotten you out of them?

I just find myself wanting to ask these people in the videos, guilty or innocent, "your endgame was ... what ?"
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As far as I can tell, they're just adult toddlers, having a tantrum, because they haven't been trained as children.

There doesn't appear to be any thought involved, just reaction to not getting their own way, in all things, all the time.

It is fascinating to watch these losers escalate something from a polite request, to felony charges and jail time, because they've been trained to believe that tantrums solve problems in their favour.
 
novaphile said:
As far as I can tell, they're just adult toddlers, having a tantrum, because they haven't been trained as children.

There doesn't appear to be any thought involved, just reaction to not getting their own way, in all things, all the time.

It is fascinating to watch these losers escalate something from a
polite request, to felony charges and jail time, because they've been trained to believe that tantrums solve problems in their favour.
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Do me a favour. Who are the "losers" here? Who is escalating things here? Who is having a "tantrum"? What the ◊◊◊◊ did this guy do? Really, what did he do to deserve the, "polite request"?

Who was looking to, "get their own way"?

Watch the video then get back to me point by point.

 
bluesjnr said:
Do me a favour. Who are the "losers" here? Who is escalating things here? Who is having a "tantrum"? What the ◊◊◊◊ did this guy do? Really, what did he do to deserve the, "polite request"?

Who was looking to, "get their own way"?

Watch the video then get back to me point by point.

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Novaphile didn't say that video was an example of what he was talking about.
 
Darat said:
Novaphile didn't say that video was an example of what he was talking about.
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Of course. But they did say that they found it, "fascinating to watch these losers escalate something from a polite request, to felony charges and jail time".

I posted that video (and I could post a lot more like it) asking them specific questions garnered from their original remark. The video demonstrates that their claims fall flat many, many times. The video proves my point.

Police overreach, unwarranted use of force and willingness to escalate is endemic in the US and is becoming more prevalent here in the UK. The fragile ego's of cops and the use of escalation to get their own way is at the root of it.

You must be aware that I'm not defending the hoodlum who decides they're not going to comply with a reasonable request to get out the car, put your hands where I can see them and get on the ground.
 
I'm perhaps a tad biased these days in regards to USA traffic stops as I've watched a ton of videos of "sovereign citizens" being subject to lawful traffic stops and the absolutely remarkable patience shown by many USA police officers towards those idiots. Especially since many of the sovcits are repeat offenders known to the police.
 
Darat said:
I'm perhaps a tad biased these days in regards to USA traffic stops as I've watched a ton of videos of "sovereign citizens" being subject to lawful traffic stops and the absolutely remarkable patience shown by many USA police officers towards those idiots. Especially since many of the sovcits are repeat offenders known to the police.
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Oh I love me a good 'Mr Sparky' video, and sovcits are indeed 'the dumbest of the dumb', but there are also far too many police interactions- almost exclusively from the US- showing massive police overreaches as well...

WAAAY too many US cops seem little more than toddlers themselves emotionally and their level of training always seems a little 'lacking' shall we say.... Many act in a manner I wouldn't be happy with them in the most basic of service jobs, and yet they have a gun and (far too often) the willingness to want to use it....

Here a cop can go their entire career without drawing their weapon (let alone discharging it), US police seem to be unable to do practically anything without having their gun in their hand....

(and don't try trotting out the old 'its so daaaangerous' canard so beloved of the right people, a US cops job is simply not even that dangerous... no more so than in any other country- hell even in the US, they rarely even make it into the top TWENTY most dangerous jobs by death and injury rates....)
 
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Darat said:
I'm perhaps a tad biased these days in regards to USA traffic stops as I've watched a ton of videos of "sovereign citizens" being subject to lawful traffic stops and the absolutely remarkable patience shown by many USA police officers towards those idiots. Especially since many of the sovcits are repeat offenders known to the police.
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If only they would show the same amount of patience to this law abiding citizen, with no criminal record who has just got off of work a mere 7 minutes ago and is waiting peaceably on his Uber ride.

I urge you to watch more of the videos on this channel.

 
bluesjnr said:
If only they would show the same amount of patience to this law abiding citizen, with no criminal record who has just got off of work a mere 7 minutes ago and is waiting peaceably on his Uber ride.

I urge you to watch more of the videos on this channel.

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I've seen that one before (the CRL is already on my subscription list lol)
This is the 'emotional insecurity' that seems a far too frequent occurrence with US police- they escalate, and all too often they overstep wildly any decent (or sane) level of authority abuse....

This cop in particular should have been weeded out long before this- hell he wouldnt have even gotten a job in the Queensland Police force in the first place here...

He lies, he escalates, he really needs to be (like SOOO many other US cops) taken off the job....
He is dangerous, and he WILL end up killing someone....

It literally is a common TV joke, has been for years- hell decades...
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Whats sad is that even being caught out and exposed publicly on camera STILL isn't enough to make these 'clowns in blue' rethink that attitude....
Why should it, even assuming that they do (rarely) actually get fired for destroying someones life with a false arrest, they just move to the next town and do it all over again at a new police force....
More likely, they just get a paid holiday off....
 
He needs to be fired, charged, convicted, jailed, and banned from ever working in law enforcement or carrying a gun ever again. Also get the ◊◊◊◊ sued out of him. If this idiot had discharged his weapon (intentionally or accidentally) he could have killed a kid!

Likely outcome: slap on the wrist, loses his job but is soon hired by another department, maybe ICE.
 
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Since the character here is an ICE agent, on the usual ICE business of flying deportees, it's hard to figure out which thread is best, but I figure this one will do.

reason.com

ICE agent who took upskirt photos of flight attendant says it wasn’t a crime because he was sneaky

Billy Olvera's "clandestine video voyeurism," as his lawyer would later describe it, took place while he was on duty as a deportation officer.
reason.com reason.com

For the TLDR reader, the headline essentially says it all. An ICE agent took upskirt photos of a flight attendant while on official ICE business, and when charged justified it by noting that it was done secretly and without the attendant's consent. Class act.
 
bruto said:
Since the character here is an ICE agent, on the usual ICE business of flying deportees, it's hard to figure out which thread is best, but I figure this one will do.

reason.com

ICE agent who took upskirt photos of flight attendant says it wasn’t a crime because he was sneaky

Billy Olvera's "clandestine video voyeurism," as his lawyer would later describe it, took place while he was on duty as a deportation officer.
reason.com reason.com

For the TLDR reader, the headline essentially says it all. An ICE agent took upskirt photos of a flight attendant while on official ICE business, and when charged justified it by noting that it was done secretly and without the attendant's consent. Class act.
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Boys will be boys.
 
bruto said:
Since the character here is an ICE agent, on the usual ICE business of flying deportees, it's hard to figure out which thread is best, but I figure this one will do.

reason.com

ICE agent who took upskirt photos of flight attendant says it wasn’t a crime because he was sneaky

Billy Olvera's "clandestine video voyeurism," as his lawyer would later describe it, took place while he was on duty as a deportation officer.
reason.com reason.com

For the TLDR reader, the headline essentially says it all. An ICE agent took upskirt photos of a flight attendant while on official ICE business, and when charged justified it by noting that it was done secretly and without the attendant's consent. Class act.
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He was just getting more to talk about in the locker room.
 
bruto said:
Since the character here is an ICE agent, on the usual ICE business of flying deportees, it's hard to figure out which thread is best, but I figure this one will do.

reason.com

ICE agent who took upskirt photos of flight attendant says it wasn’t a crime because he was sneaky

Billy Olvera's "clandestine video voyeurism," as his lawyer would later describe it, took place while he was on duty as a deportation officer.
reason.com reason.com

For the TLDR reader, the headline essentially says it all. An ICE agent took upskirt photos of a flight attendant while on official ICE business, and when charged justified it by noting that it was done secretly and without the attendant's consent. Class act.
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Would have thought reason magazine would have been in favour of such rapey behaviour, seeing as no objectivist must gainsay the one true and valid opinion of the world's only objective person St. Ayn.
 
Venom said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/22/sonya-massey-illinois-shooting-video
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Ex-officer guilty of murder of Sonya Massey after she reported suspected intruder

A former Illinois sheriff's deputy has been found guilty of second-degree murder in the death last year of a householder who had reported a suspected intruder.

Mother-of-two Sonya Massey, 36, was fatally shot on 6 July 2024 at her home near Springfield, Illinois, after calling 911 about a possible prowler.

Ex-officer Sean Grayson, 31, said he opened fire because he thought Massey was about to throw a pot of boiling water on him.
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The incident unfolded in the early hours over Independence Day weekend when Massey called police to her home in Springfield, 200 miles (320km) south of Chicago, to report that she believed someone had broken in to her property.

Police bodycam footage of the incident showed the chaotic moments that led to the shooting.

Officers arrived at the home and followed Massey inside as she searched for her ID.

In the video, Grayson sees a pot sitting on a lit stove, gestures towards it and says: "We don't need a fire while we're here."

Massey, who had received treatment for mental health issues, walks to the stove to remove the pot. She and Grayson appear to laugh over her pot of "steaming hot water", before she twice says: "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus."

"You better [expletive] not or I swear to God I'll [expletive] shoot you in your [expletive] face," Grayson says. He then draws his pistol as he shouts for her to drop the pot.

"OK, I'm sorry," Massey is heard saying before she ducks.

He fired three shots, striking her in the face.

Afterwards, Grayson says: "What else do we do? I'm not taking hot [expletive] boiling water to the [expletive] face."

As the other officer goes to get a medical kit, Grayson says: "She's done. You can go get it, but that's a head shot."

Grayson, who was subsequently fired, took the stand in his own defence during the trial.

He told the court the bottom of the pot was red and he believed Massey's words were a threat and she planned to throw the water at him.

But the jury deliberated for about 11 hours before returning their guilty verdict on Wednesday.
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