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The Behavior Of US Police Officers - Part 3

Donal said:
I know I have posted it before, but this webcomic by a veteran goes into the overlap between the cultures of special forces and mercenary units, doemstic police forces, and doemstic terrorist groups. We're being trained to be subservient to a group of enforcers who live as their own prtoected class and live in some fantasy.
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"Conformity disguised as rebellion" - that is a very good phrase to summarise many extremist groups.
 
who enforces that, though? Who prosecutes offenders? We have those systems in place.
 
Another one from the Dumbass Department:

Florida deputy was logged into sheriff's office Wi-Fi while watching child porn videos: PCSO

CLEARWATER, Fla. - A Pinellas County deputy resigned after being arrested for watching and sharing child porn videos while working at the jail, according to the sheriff's office.

Detectives assigned to the Crimes Against Children Unit (CAC) arrested 33-year-old Trevor Scott Willis, a Pinellas County Sheriff's Office Detention Deputy, after receiving information that child porn was being accessed and shared online.

Detectives say the videos were of children between the ages of five and fifteen years old. According to PCSO, videos showing a child engaging in sexual activities with a dog were also found during the investigation.
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:jaw-dropp

They should tack on another ten years for being a ******* dumbass.
 
shemp said:
Another one from the Dumbass Department:

Florida deputy was logged into sheriff's office Wi-Fi while watching child porn videos: PCSO



:jaw-dropp

They should tack on another ten years for being a ******* dumbass.
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A little OT, but I always said that about those people caught by the "To Catch a Predator" show. Yeah, it's bad that you are going to have sex with a minor, but you should get an extra 10 years for thinking that this was a minor who actually wanted to have sex with a creep like you.
 
Darat said:
Sadly people forget what the adage means. When you have a bad apple in the barrel it spoils all the other apples, the good apples become bad apples by association. And that is what we see in police forces. There may well be cops that don't do anything bad themselves, but they don't stop the bad apples even when they know the bad apples are doing wrong, which means they are complicit in the wrongdoings, therefore they are also bad apples.

I am sure there are otherwise good people in all police forces but if they don't tackle their colleagues when they see or hear of any wrongdoing then they are bad police officers. And once that barrel is spoilt it will remain capable of turning good apples bad no matter if you have thrown out all the current bad apples.

To stop torturing the adage: Police forces should be policing themselves even tougher than they police the public, they should be squeaky clean internally, it means there must be proper checks built into the police procedures that stop police officers being able to do and get away with wrongdoing. Technology can now help this; it is entirely possible for example to create a system in which the complete "chain of custody" from arrest to court appearance can be reviewed from sources the police can't tamper with. Police on duty should be GPS tagged. There are lots of ways we can make it hard for bad apples to start to spoil the barrel, it is now a political question, are our politicians willing to do what is necessary?
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Reminds me of something I speculate about from time to time: American police are allowed to lie. While this no doubt makes it easier to get convictions, I tend to the opinion that it also erodes public trust in US police officers, decreases rates of compliance, and may ultimately lead to increased use of force and worse outcomes. Of course, many categories of crime have very low clearance rates as it is here, so.... I guess I don't know.
 
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Darat said:
Sadly people forget what the adage means. When you have a bad apple in the barrel it spoils all the other apples, the good apples become bad apples by association. And that is what we see in police forces. There may well be cops that don't do anything bad themselves, but they don't stop the bad apples even when they know the bad apples are doing wrong, which means they are complicit in the wrongdoings, therefore they are also bad apples.

I am sure there are otherwise good people in all police forces but if they don't tackle their colleagues when they see or hear of any wrongdoing then they are bad police officers. And once that barrel is spoilt it will remain capable of turning good apples bad no matter if you have thrown out all the current bad apples.

To stop torturing the adage:
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I blame Donnie Osmond.

"One bad apple don't spoil a whole bunch girl"

Um yes, yes it does.
 
Darat said:
Sadly people forget what the adage means. When you have a bad apple in the barrel it spoils all the other apples, the good apples become bad apples by association. And that is what we see in police forces. There may well be cops that don't do anything bad themselves, but they don't stop the bad apples even when they know the bad apples are doing wrong, which means they are complicit in the wrongdoings, therefore they are also bad apples.

I am sure there are otherwise good people in all police forces but if they don't tackle their colleagues when they see or hear of any wrongdoing then they are bad police officers. And once that barrel is spoilt it will remain capable of turning good apples bad no matter if you have thrown out all the current bad apples.

To stop torturing the adage: Police forces should be policing themselves even tougher than they police the public, they should be squeaky clean internally, it means there must be proper checks built into the police procedures that stop police officers being able to do and get away with wrongdoing. Technology can now help this; it is entirely possible for example to create a system in which the complete "chain of custody" from arrest to court appearance can be reviewed from sources the police can't tamper with. Police on duty should be GPS tagged. There are lots of ways we can make it hard for bad apples to start to spoil the barrel, it is now a political question, are our politicians willing to do what is necessary?
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The metaphor is even better. The rot gets into the wood and even if you remove all the apples and put new ones into the barrel, the new ones will also spoil.

It's a really good metaphor.
 
jimbob said:
The metaphor is even better. The rot gets into the wood and even if you remove all the apples and put new ones into the barrel, the new ones will also spoil.

It's a really good metaphor.
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Because ethylene gas, which is produced at an increased rate by damaged or rotting produce and accelerates the ripening and rotting of other exposed produce, has the ability to permeate cardboard, wood, and even concrete.
 
One of these days we'll start training police how to react to people who get confused by angrily shouted orders out of nowhere. Shock is not defiance.

It's unbeleivable how he created and escalated a situation entirely in his head, from next to no tension all the way to thinking he needed to shoot her, in what, thirty seconds? She was just a lady in her own home. They'd all been there chatting. There was nothing going on. The most you could say was that she was a little evasive and odd. This is the same stuff that gets people killed for having diabetic episodes or any other mental impairment, or for just being blindsided and confused.

Frightening and confusing people does not help with compliance. This **** needs to go.
 
I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but...

Disarm the police?

Maybe that's what people should have been chanting during the BLM protests. Maybe they'll do it for the next one.

(I suspect that any attempts to do so will be met with "2nd amendment rights!" protestations)
 
Most of the USA's contemporary countries have regularly armed police, but don't seem to have the same problem.
 
That Massey video was one of the worst I've seen--a blatant execution with zero justification. Only positive is that it will be an easy conviction, I can't even imagine what the defense would be (insanity?)
 
stanfr said:
That Massey video was one of the worst I've seen--a blatant execution with zero justification. Only positive is that it will be an easy conviction, I can't even imagine what the defense would be (insanity?)
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The defense will be that she had previously displayed signs of being mentally unstable, that she had a dangerous potential weapon in her hand (pot of boiling water) and that she verbally threatened the officer ("I rebuke you in the name of Jesus").

Of course...she had been pretty lucid; was directed to take care of the boiling water by the other officer, did not seem to be engaging in any sort of threatening behavior, was almost certainly complaining about the officers' fussiness with the rebuke comment, and had dropped the pot to cower and plead at the moment she was shot. On top of which the department does not seem to be on the shooter's side. Have reasonable hopes for criminal conviction.
 
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Shadowdweller said:
The defense will be that she had previously displayed signs of being mentally unstable, that she had a dangerous potential weapon in her hand (pot of boiling water) and that she verbally threatened the officer ("I rebuke you in the name of Jesus").

Of course...she had been pretty lucid; was directed to take care of the boiling water by the other officer, did not seem to be engaging in any sort of threatening behavior, was almost certainly complaining about the officers' fussiness with the rebuke comment, and had dropped the pot to cower and plead at the moment she was shot. On top of which the department does not seem to be on the shooter's side. Have reasonable hopes for criminal conviction.
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Honestly if I were his counsel I would advise him there is only one way out, argue that he was under a ton of stress (claim he was shot at earlier) and that he had a ptsd moment and panicked at the sight of the boiling water. Then promise to undergo major psychiatric treatment. Aside from his prior DUIs, assuming he had a clean record and volunteered at local homeless shelters he could probably get a manslaughter deal for 10 years. I'm not sure the defense will have a plea offer given to them though, too much press in this case, fortunately.
 
Some more stuff about Sean Grayson, the officer who shot Sonya Massey:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tQV6IB5VVKQ
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...massey-shooting-illinois-disciplinary-record/

Seems in one former job he was ordered to stand down from a "high speed chase" over a traffic infraction; then proceeded to lie about complying and continue the chase anyway (at 120 mph), until striking a deer and likely totalling an expensive but fortunately not living police cruiser. The man had not one but several DUI charges. Had been dishonorably discharged from the military.

...and, the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police (the local Police union) just filed a complaint with the Sangamon County Sheriff's Office claiming that Grayson was fired "without just cause" after the shooting.
 
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Shadowdweller said:
Some more stuff about Sean Grayson, the officer who shot Sonya Massey:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tQV6IB5VVKQ
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...massey-shooting-illinois-disciplinary-record/

Seems in one former job he was ordered to stand down from a "high speed chase" over a traffic infraction; then proceeded to lie about complying and continue the chase anyway (at 120 mph), until striking a deer and likely totalling an expensive but fortunately not living police cruiser. The man had not one but several DUI charges. Had been dishonorably discharged from the military.

...and, the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police (the local Police union) just filed a complaint with the Sangamon County Sheriff's Office claiming that Grayson was fired "without just cause" after the shooting.
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Cold comfort under the circumstances, but to keep the record straight AP reports the union has dropped the complaint.
 
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