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Am I the same entity or person from the moment I was born?

No, atheism is also a religion. To believe that Allah does not exist is a belief. And it is a superstitious belief. In contrast, knowing that Allah exists is true knowledge.
Nothing special about Allah. Just another bog standard non-existent god. Any beliefs about the dude belong solely to adherents.

I suppose your superstitious belief in the non-existence of Brahma makes you an adherent of the atheist religion, right?
 
*double checks that we are in Religion and Philosophy while discussing Star Trek*

*considers asking "How the hell did we get here?"*

*gives it a miss*
 
This explains a few things!

Some other sod who claimed to be me sodded off with the fully functional version of my body and left me here with the knacked version.

What an utter complete complete and utter bastard! Just wait till I catch him! I'll tell him to stand still while I catch my breath and then kick him n the knackers while he's still laughing at me...
 
The inability to understand Star Trek was a work of pure fiction concerns me.
None of that happened.
I don't think Emre believes Star Trek is factual. Despite his curious view of, well, everything, I'm willing to grant that he's using the transporter as a nothing more than thought experiment. He wouldn't be the first to do so. There's one error in the fact that he doesn't know how the transporter is said to work. But the larger error is taking away nothing more than some sort of assurance of his religious beliefs.

Quite a number of people have speculated on whether the transporter would preserve the mind or the soul, and if so by what means. There's nothing mentally ill about positing Islam-is-true as a hypothetical premise, Star Trek transporters are real as another hypothetical premise, and drawing a conclusion under those hypotheticals that Kirk and Spock will have lost their immortal souls and that consequently Allah will be unable to accept them into Paradise. We could even go on to posit that since their souls no longer exist, they won't be subject to eternal punishment either, but will likely suffer annihilation, whatever that might mean in Islam.

One takeaway would be the notion that it's a good thing no one in Starfleet apparently practices Islam. Emre's predictable takeaway is that science is evil, even when it's only fictional science.

*double checks that we are in Religion and Philosophy while discussing Star Trek*

*considers asking "How the hell did we get here?"*
Both religion and science fiction rely on a tremendous amount of world-building that has to achieve a certain degree of credibility. Both science fiction and religion try to comment on what society is, and what it could or should be. Both religion and science fiction (at least with the franchises) entertain vigorous debate on what constitutes canonical knowledge.

No, the TNG episode where the transporter recreates the away party as children should not be canon.

It's no wonder Emre can accept his beliefs as pure truths and attack other equally ridiculous religions as wrong yet somehow worth a lifetime dedicated to denouncing them.
Emre simply starts every one of his pseudo-intellectual wanks with the premise that his particular flavor of Islam is obviously and incontrovertibly true. Now if you're going to speculate about how a transporter would behave in a certain corner case, you do so from the perspective that Star Trek technical lore is true. Those are your axioms. Trying to win the argument by saying, "But transporters aren't real," just gets you quizzical stares. With any such endeavor, an in-universe examination is thoroughly worthless for testing the viability of the axioms. That's not how thinking works.

Emre's wanks always climax in a "Hooray for Islam!" conclusion. Kirk and Spock are cooked because the transporter ate their souls. Science is bad because it told them they would be okay. Philosophy is bad because it didn't predict that outcome. Islam wins again. His arguments are inevitably circular, trapped in a pattern buffer of tautology.

In the huge vat of AI slop that starts this thread, he brings up one of the classic paradoxes in the philosophy of identity and continuity. As with all such debates, the answer often depends on what axioms you set forth. Emre states the problem, dismantles one straw man cherry-picked from classical philosophy, then shows how Islam answers the question. Of course that works only because all of Islam's relevant truth claims are clearly imposed as the axioms in his AI prompt. The operative axiomatic basis of identity is Islam's animistic notion of identity, and then we're supposed to marvel about well Islam navigates the problem. Mainstream science and mainstream philosophy utterly fail to answer the question under the rules of Islam, so they should be eschewed.

Asking, "Okay, what if Islam is not true?" is the same as saying, "But the transporters aren't real." If you criticize Emre's claims by relaxing the premise that Islam isn't true, in his mind you've stepped outside the rules of the exercise.
 
No, atheism is also a religion. To believe that Allah does not exist is a belief. And it is a superstitious belief. In contrast, knowing that Allah exists is true knowledge.
It doesn't work equating being an atheist with being religious.

Atheism is not a religion. That is simply the word made up to describe individuals who have yet to be convinced in any of the thousands of gods proposed. The day that anyone can demonstrate a God's existence as well as anyone can demonstrate a coffee cup, I will cease to be an atheist. It's not a religion. We don't build mosques, churches or temples. There is no scripture or holy texts. It's no more a religion than non-belief in Star Trek, Star Wars, Superman, Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, etc, etc,
 
Indeed, Emre has apparently spent a significant portion of his life expressing disbelief in all the other gods. In his case that's from a position of affirmative belief in a particular god, and in a particular requirement for worship and behavior. In one sense, atheists simply take the last logical step and reject all those gods. And in that sense it seems like a small step. In a more important sense, atheists don't answer that rejection with some other affirmative belief system. That's a conceptually game-changing step. It's huge. This is what theists can never grasp. They want to assert that we just put something else up on our God Shelf. They aren't prepared for the notion that we simply don't have a God Shelf.

I can easily step into the universe of any number of science fiction franchises or religious franchises and reason from within them. And then I can step outside of them an examine any or all of them critically. This is the step Emre can't manage. It's a sign of insecurity.
 
Indeed, Emre has apparently spent a significant portion of his life expressing disbelief in all the other gods. In his case that's from a position of affirmative belief in a particular god, and in a particular requirement for worship and behavior. In one sense, atheists simply take the last logical step and reject all those gods. And in that sense it seems like a small step. In a more important sense, atheists don't answer that rejection with some other affirmative belief system. That's a conceptually game-changing step. It's huge. This is what theists can never grasp. They want to assert that we just put something else up on our God Shelf. They aren't prepared for the notion that we simply don't have a God Shelf.

I can easily step into the universe of any number of science fiction franchises or religious franchises and reason from within them. And then I can step outside of them an examine any or all of them critically. This is the step Emre can't manage. It's a sign of insecurity.
All religion is a sign pf insecurity. Looking to foist your own responsibilities onto another entity.
 
Surely the transporter doesn't "eat" the soul. It just releases it into whatever happens to all souls after death, which doesn't seem like much of a tragedy.

Presumably the replicas get fresh new souls or something, I don't know. Magic, magic, why be tragic?
 
The Mexican kinda Catholic mindset also presumes one has a chosen diety. Lazy religion to fundamentalists all maintain that everyone has a chosen higher power.
How can one NOT have one and survive this world?

It utterly confounded one to the point he had to choose one I must believe in.
He still could not accept one lived one life, on this earth and didn't hope for some glory afterwards.
He has five shrines to the Maria, sides of San Judas and San Martin. Those that kind of apply to the hope of success in business. He spends good money making sure candles are always lit on every one.
He will fire employees that he thinks bring bad vibes to his business. Only he can define those bad vibes as some spiritual power.

Yet he often sold parts of stolen cars and thought nothing of the bad karma his habits had on others.
What saints were protecting his victims?
 
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No, atheism is also a religion. To believe that Allah does not exist is a belief. And it is a superstitious belief. In contrast, knowing that Allah exists is true knowledge.

I do just luuuuuuuurve religionistas deciding for me what I really, really, really must be thinking...

One of the many reasons religion should only be practised between consenting adults in private.

Oh, and obligatory Dylan line: don't criticise what you don't understand.
 
Emre's comparison to Star Trek is fine. We can argue, no the transporter doesn't work that way. But the fact is, Star Trek, like Islam is not real. And neither is the transporter. All of this is fiction.

I know for some of the Trekies out there, this is blasphemous. Fortunately for us non-Trekies, Gene Roddenberry didn't create a hell for us. But I'll say this for the creator of Star Trek. We know he was real. If Emre could prove God as easily as people can prove Gene Roddenberry's existence I would believe in it. But he can't.
 
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This explains a few things!

Some other sod who claimed to be me sodded off with the fully functional version of my body and left me here with the knacked version.

What an utter complete complete and utter bastard! Just wait till I catch him! I'll tell him to stand still while I catch my breath and then kick him n the knackers while he's still laughing at me...
You'll kick him in your knackers.
 
39:42 God takes the person when it dies, and during their sleep. He then keeps those that have been overtaken by death, and He sends the others back until a predetermined time. In that are signs for a people who will think.

This verse has led to the interpretation of sleep as a "minor death." The suspension of our consciousness and voluntary control during sleep means that each awakening is our re-creation by a divine will. This perspective shows that our identity is re-established at every moment within Allah's power and knowledge. Therefore, the person who awakens each day is not a copy of the one who slept, but the self whose continuity has been ensured by divine knowledge.
If Allah can preserve a person’s identity during sleep and restore it afterwards then why can he not do the same when transported?

Is that an indication of the limits of Allah’s power?
 

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