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Cont: Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed - part 3

theprestige said:
Of course I do. The amount of aid they're carrying is insignificant. There is no way they're getting through the blockade. There is no way they're ending the blockade. It's all empty gestures. It's all cargo cult activism: Going through the motions of protest, and pretending it's the same as effecting real change.
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Deplorable. Not Greta Thunberg's activism - your characterization of it.

Protest
A protest (also called a demonstration, remonstration, or remonstrance) is a public act of objection, disapproval or dissent against political advantage.
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Your assertion that she is insincerely 'going through the motions' of protesting is not only baseless, it's offensive. But no less than I would expect from someone who has a policy of not taking children seriously on any issue and doesn't think we should care about what they think or say.

You even went so far as to say we should only listen to 'mature and experienced adults with the expertise to make the same argument from actual authority' - as if you need to quote an 'authority' on the situation in Gaza to have valid concerns about it.

I bet you would have been one of the adults remarking on the magnificence of the emperor's new clothes.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Your assertion that she is insincerely 'going through the motions' of protesting is not only baseless, it's offensive. But no less than I would expect from someone who has a policy of not taking children seriously on any issue and doesn't think we should care about what they think or say.
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Notice that Greta is not a child.

It's callous to see what she and other civilian captives of Israel have gone through and call it "going through the motions".
 
arthwollipot said:
Notice that Greta is not a child.

It's callous to see what she and other civilian captives of Israel have gone through and call it "going through the motions".
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Going through the motions is exactly what it is. Get all eyes on you. Make a big show of protest. Get arrested, detained, deported. Bask in the glory of having done nothing of consequence.
 
theprestige said:
Anything other than wage open war on Israel. The longer this conversation goes on, the more your position looks like pro-Hamas propaganda.
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Nobody's going to wage open war on Israel. Nobody.

ETA: Except maybe Iran. And I'm not sure you want to be joining that camp.
 
arthwollipot said:
Nobody's going to wage open war on Israel. Nobody.

ETA: Except maybe Iran. And I'm not sure you want to be joining that camp.
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Arthwollipot: Hamas isn't real. Hamas can't hurt Israel.

Hamas:

ETA: Your cartoonist.

At this point, you've backed yourself into the corner of endorsing an open Iranian war against Israel, to relieve the siege of Hamas in Gaza. That's the unfortunate conclusion, from the cartoon you posted.
 
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Greta Thunberg alleges torture in Israeli detention after Gaza flotilla arrest​


"Personally, I don't want to share what I was subjected to because I don't want it to make headlines and 'Greta has been tortured', because that's not the story here," she said, adding that what they were subjected to paled in comparison to what people in Gaza experienced daily.
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She declined to elaborate, adding when pressed that she didn't get clean water and that other detainees were deprived of critical medication.
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Turkish participant Ersin Çelik told the press that upon their capture, Israeli forces “dragged little Greta by her hair, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag as a warning to others.”
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Yeah. We really know that happened.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Nobody's going to wage open war on Israel. Nobody.
ETA: Except maybe Iran. And I'm not sure you want to be joining that camp.
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Don't let the people who are busy tone-trolling Greta Thunberg make you go on the defensive!
'See?! The girl is not giving a calm speech about the genocide! She is obviously angry about the genocide! What's wrong with her?!'
It's an old trick favored by the fans of an actual, ongoing genocide: genocide mongers pretending that you are a war monger!

Thunberg's speech (begins at 3:30-->:
“No One Can Say We Didn’t Know”: Greta Thunberg, Others Speak After Israeli Detention (DRM News on YouTube, Oct 6, 2025 - 14:44 min.)
Greta Thunberg delivered a fiery speech in Athens after her release from Israeli detention, calling Israel’s Gaza actions a “live-streamed genocide” and urging governments to “end complicity and arms transfers.” Speaking to thousands, she condemned global silence and vowed to keep fighting for Palestine through the Global Sumud Flotilla.
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'See A Doctor': Greta EXPLODES Against U.S., Trump Fires Back Amid Fight Over Israel-Gaza Flotilla (Times of India on YouTube, Oct 7, 2025 6:21 min.)
After Israeli crackdown on Gaza Flotilla, U.S. President Donald Trump has once again lashed out at climate activist Greta Thunberg, branding her a “troublemaker” with “anger management problems.” Trump dismissed Thunberg’s activism, claiming she’s “no longer into the environment” and accusing her of being “so angry” and “crazy.” The president suggested that the Swedish youth icon “should see a doctor,” mocking her passionate activism that once drew his ire at the United Nations.
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arthwollipot said:
I mean, she made a mistake and removed it from her feed. As she should. What about it?
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Nothing, just shows how clueless she is. That photo was on many platforms, media and social media. Any person with a mild interest in the topic and the honest desire to know the truth would be familiar with it. The person who calls herself 'activist', who is seriously enganged with the cause and organizes well publicized campaigns should really know better..
 
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