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Ed The Fascism Checklist, Trump 2025

The Great Zaganza said:
I'm not quite as pessimistic about the inevitable fall of the US into the 4th Reich for the simple reason that a key requirement that is needed for the movers&shakers who make Fascism possible is not met: profit from going full Nazi.
Historically, the reason why Capitalists love Fascism is because it does away with Unions and provides some kind of slave labor. It also moves wealth from expropriations and conquest to the already too rich, with plenty of crumbs for the henchmen.
But in the US, the Thiels and Musks already have all the money and don't have to worry about Unions. And the US won't be able to plunder foreign countries to a degree necessary to keep the Ponzi Scheme that is every Fascist Regime going.

What we are seeing is less some Nazis trying to take over the US and rule with an Iron Fist over the World, and more opportunists who want to pick the corpse of the US clean while it is still warm, and the bugger off to their Secret Volcano Lair while the survivors go feral in a Mad Max world.
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And the starting point is very different, despite the tech oligarchs; the US is, still, a democracy, and has been one for a very long time. This is done out in the open, since the internet and social media will work against them, as well as for them, and the whole world is watching. The fascists of the past could work in mysterious ways their horrors to perform. Trump/Miller can't. That makes it very different. But it is scary, not least since the leaders of the dems seem to have been completely immobilised.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It doesn't appear to be true, anyway. Walt Disney Co. (DIS) has been pretty steady lately, sticking between 112 and 118 for months now. The last dramatic change was actually a significant rise, in the middle of May, from 92 to 112.
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For the week it fell some:
113.76 USD
−1.10 (0.96%)today
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Tero said:
For the week it fell some:
113.76 USD
−1.10 (0.96%)today
Closed: Sep 19, 7:15 PM EDT • Disclaimer
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Which doesn't look like a terrible and shocking plunge to me. If you count up all the shares that exist then sure, across all of them that 0.96% drop is a lot of money. But that's true of absolutely any stock and any drop at all. If it went up five cents nobody would declare "stunning zoom in Disney value!!" There's a difference between the price of a stock and the actual worth of a gigantic company.

Even if the Kimmel business does causes losses for Disney it'll be over a long period of time, not within a single week.
 
i’ve become convinced passive investment is propping up the entire market. particularly large companies which benefit much more from it.

just something to think about when it comes to referencing it as a measure of performance
 
sinnikal said:
Interesting and, frankly scary piece by ChrisArmitage1 (substack via FB).

"I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%. Once they win elections, it's already too late.
In 1933, German conservatives thought they could control Hitler. Two years later, they were being executed in their own homes. I spent weeks researching this question, desperately looking for counter-examples, for hope, for any time in history where people successfully stopped fascists after they started winning elections.
Here's what I found: Once fascists win power democratically, they have never been removed democratically. Not once. Ever.
I know that sounds impossible. I kept digging, thinking surely someone, somewhere, stopped them. The actual record is so much worse than you think ...

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1333471682158161&id=100064860241186
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The same can be said of every non-democratic regime. None of them have been ended by internal democratic means.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
And how many of those non-democratic regimes were broken at the ballot box. Even if you want to institute democracy, in a non-democratic polity you're going to have to use non-democratic means.
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Actually, in my own country Denmark, a sort of democracy was instituted peacefully in 1849, through consultation between the absolutist king and his government ministers, through the example of other countries, not the least to prevent an 1848-style uprising.
 
It was a peaceful transition here (Sweden) as well, which started in 1809, when much of the power of the king was transferred to the parlament (which consisted of representatives of the four estates; nobility, clergy, burghers and landowning farmers), and ended a little over a century later in universal suffrage.
 
Helen said:
much of the power of the king was transferred to the parlament (which consisted of representatives of the four estates; nobility, clergy, burghers
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Hold on, there's an idea: Trump may be willing to shed some of his seized unitary executive powers if he can convinced to share them with burgers. He likes and respects burgers a lot.
 
Helen said:
It was a peaceful transition here (Sweden) as well, which started in 1809, when much of the power of the king was transferred to the parlament (which consisted of representatives of the four estates; nobility, clergy, burghers and landowning farmers), and ended a little over a century later in universal suffrage.
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Around 1814 the Danish king at the time had a reasonable chance of also becoming Swedish king, but he declined out of fear that his Danish kingdom would also demand democracy like Sweden …
 
steenkh said:
Around 1814 the Danish king at the time had a reasonable chance of also becoming Swedish king, but he declined out of fear that his Danish kingdom would also demand democracy like Sweden …
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Scary stuff, democracy! It could have been a misunderstanding, though; maybe they discussed it, but no one knew any "blandinavisk" aka "SASperanto", so they didn't understand each other, and were too emarrassed to admit it😄
 
Helen said:
Scary stuff, democracy! It could have been a misunderstanding, though; maybe they discussed it, but no one knew any "blandinavisk" aka "SASperanto", so they didn't understand each other, and were too emarrassed to admit it😄
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He accidentally bought a thousand liters of milk and it went downhill from there.
 
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