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i'd agree that it's plausibly explained. there's a lot of evidence to suggest their association was much deeper than "at all", as does his own troubling behavior and comments before, during, and after epstein's arrest and subsequent death, especially recently, that prevents me from calling it adequate.

imo of course.
 

coffeezilla’s take on the epstein footage and the government’s statements on it
 
dirtywick said:
to me it’s clear that they’re currently conspiring to hide trump’s involvement with epstein. it’s less clear to what level his involvement was.

whether he was murdered or killed himself is also even less clear to me. recent events have left me a lot more open to the possibility than i was previously

it’s pretty wild to see.
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I would not be one bit surprised if the FBI have seen video of him raping children.
 
Venom said:
Most of those questions are I think adequately explained by what Alan Dershowitz, Brad Edwards, and other lawyers who've seen private documents suggest.

It's super embarrassing/damaging to be associated with Epstein at all, and most of the explicit material said to feature minors or women of uncertain age would not have to be proven accurate to make Epstein associates look bad.

My guess is that's the main reason they would hide it even if there was no conspiracy and even when the lawyers who've seen the files say Epstein himself was the primary client. And even if they could not prosecute and find any of them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Epstein's own death does seem like a really freaky series of events but I'm pretty confident he just hanged himself in an unorthodox manner.
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Dershowitz is a conspiracy theorist whose head is stuck so far up TACO's rear end you can't see his feet. There's no way I'd trust what he says.
 
did dershowitz have any thoughts on why financial advisor to the billionaires epstein hired a 16 year old spa virginia giuffre from mar a lago? was that a part of their scheme?
 
btw that article was from 2015, years before epsteins eventual arrest in 2019
 
dirtywick said:
btw that article was from 2015, years before epsteins eventual arrest in 2019
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I'm just pointing out Dershowitz's own little conspiracy theory. There was a long period of civil litigation way before Epstein's 2019 arrest. It started after some of his victims complained about the coverup of his case in Florida.

dirtywick said:
did dershowitz have any thoughts on why financial advisor to the billionaires epstein hired a 16 year old spa virginia giuffre from mar a lago? was that a part of their scheme?
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Of course it's not about Epstein. We already knew he was a bad guy. The issue is we started hearing these new accusations about international sex trafficking out of the blue, against prominent people connected to Epstein. A handful of women out of hundreds are making these claims. And they have credibility problems. So I think they deserve special scrutiny.
 
i think events since 2015 have made their allegations more credible, not less. that was an example

besides that, both jp morgan and deutch bank had settled hundreds of millions with several hundred victims for their roles in ignoring and aiding esptein’s sex trafficking ring since then as well. so it’s more than a handful of women.

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US judge approves Deutsche Bank $75 million settlement with Epstein accusers | CNN Business

Deutsche Bank on Friday won final approval from a US judge for a $75 million settlement it reached with victims of Jeffrey Epstein who had accused the German company of facilitating the late financier’s alleged sex trafficking.
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Again, we learn nothing new from those settlements.

Events since 2015 have in fact made their allegations less credible, not more.

Maria Farmer claimed she saw Alan Dershowitz at Epstein’s properties in New York. She was hired in 1996, the same year Dershowitz claims he met Epstein, and Farmer apparently left shortly after she and her sister were sexually assaulted by Epstein, so Dershowitz doubts that she’s seen him in person at all. In any case she never accused him of wrongdoing in her sworn affidavit [LINK]. Farmer is an oddball. I remember seeing a TikTok video of her claiming that Epstein didn’t rape her, saying women could avoid his advances if they felt like it. She and Virginia Giuffre have promoted QAnon conspiracy theories on Twitter.

Sarah Ransome claimed in 2016 that she had sex tapes of Bill Clinton and Donald Trump among others having sex with girls. Sounds like an attempt to influence the presidential election to me. But journalists couldn’t have them she said, because she sent them to Europe for protection. She later told a reporter in 2019 that she made up the story about the tapes to draw attention to the Epstein case [LINK]. It’s worth noting that the mainstream media and documentaries like Netflix’s Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich did not mention the retraction. But I imagine even if they did people would say the NWO scared her silent.

As for Virginia Giuffre there have been many inconsistencies in her accounts, between her original motion, her depositions, media reports, and her memoirs. How old was she? What year did she meet them? Did she spend four years under “sex slavery” or two? The timeline suggests two. Was she really trafficked to foreign presidents as she originally claimed? If so who? She later says no she wasn’t.
Did Sharon Churcher of the Daily Mail accurately report the information she sent her, or was it a case of jounalistic embellishment? In her 2016 depositions she sounded almost evasive about details of stuff she’s sent to journalists. There is also an email exchange between Churcher and Giuffre which I can’t find at the moment from one of the previous file releases that seems to suggest Giuffre got “reminded” about Alan Dershowitz as one of her abusers.
Maybe she misremembered events from years ago. Could be. But she apparently kept very few records of anything she sent to journalists.
 
fair enough, i was confused as to what you were referencing with your comments and misread them. after rereading what i wrote i was on a completely different tangent that had little to do with what you were saying.
 
Of all the lies by Maxwell in her interview with T Blanche, this one stands out:
  • Blanche pressed the point and asked if she had "any reason to believe" Epstein was murdered to protect "rich and powerful people," Maxwell again said no.
  • "I do not have any reason to believe that. And I also think it's ludicrous, because if that — I also happen to think if that is what they wanted, they would've had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in jail," she said
So, Maxwell thinks he was murdered but thinks it was just an 'internal' job in the prison, and no real conspiracy. If that were true, you would think that everyone associated with the Epstein files would go out of their way to insist that Epstein was just killed by another inmate, yet they seem adamant that it was a suicide. Why the supposed 'coverup' if it was just your average everyday murder of a pedophile by another inmate?
And her 'logic' about them having plenty of opportunity outside of jail of course completely ignores the fact that so long as he wasn't in jail, he had no reason to rat out anyone.
 
dirtywick said:
did dershowitz have any thoughts on why financial advisor to the billionaires epstein hired a 16 year old spa virginia giuffre from mar a lago? was that a part of their scheme?
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I'm having trouble figuring out what "a 16 year old spa virginia giuffre from mar a lago" is supposed to mean.

Rhetorical questions don't make much sense when the rhetoric is incoherent.
 
theprestige said:
I'm having trouble figuring out what "a 16 year old spa virginia giuffre from mar a lago" is supposed to mean.

Rhetorical questions don't make much sense when the rhetoric is incoherent.
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A little knowledge of the context makes the meaning clear, even if the grammar is incorrect. But in the interest of clarity I'll do a minor clean-up for you: "A 16 year old spa employee - Virginia Giuffre - from Mar-a-lago".

See? Wasn't that hard.
 
stanfr said:
Of all the lies by Maxwell in her interview with T Blanche, this one stands out:
  • Blanche pressed the point and asked if she had "any reason to believe" Epstein was murdered to protect "rich and powerful people," Maxwell again said no.
  • "I do not have any reason to believe that. And I also think it's ludicrous, because if that — I also happen to think if that is what they wanted, they would've had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in jail," she said
So, Maxwell thinks he was murdered but thinks it was just an 'internal' job in the prison, and no real conspiracy. If that were true, you would think that everyone associated with the Epstein files would go out of their way to insist that Epstein was just killed by another inmate, yet they seem adamant that it was a suicide. Why the supposed 'coverup' if it was just your average everyday murder of a pedophile by another inmate?
And her 'logic' about them having plenty of opportunity outside of jail of course completely ignores the fact that so long as he wasn't in jail, he had no reason to rat out anyone.
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What advantage would there be to claiming that he was murdered rather than committed suicide? If you claim he was murdered the first thing the average observer thinks is he was silenced. The alternative, more likely narrative is going to flop.
 
stanfr said:
Of all the lies by Maxwell in her interview with T Blanche, this one stands out:
  • Blanche pressed the point and asked if she had "any reason to believe" Epstein was murdered to protect "rich and powerful people," Maxwell again said no.
  • "I do not have any reason to believe that. And I also think it's ludicrous, because if that — I also happen to think if that is what they wanted, they would've had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in jail," she said
So, Maxwell thinks he was murdered but thinks it was just an 'internal' job in the prison, and no real conspiracy. If that were true, you would think that everyone associated with the Epstein files would go out of their way to insist that Epstein was just killed by another inmate, yet they seem adamant that it was a suicide. Why the supposed 'coverup' if it was just your average everyday murder of a pedophile by another inmate?
And her 'logic' about them having plenty of opportunity outside of jail of course completely ignores the fact that so long as he wasn't in jail, he had no reason to rat out anyone.
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Wait, Maxwell thinks Epstein was murdered?
 
Ghislaine Maxwell says Epstein client list does not exist

Maxwell was interviewed in July and, according to the released transcript, said she did not witness any inappropriate conduct by Trump or former President Bill Clinton.

She also called allegations of Prince Andrew having sexual relations with an underage girl in Maxwell's home "mind-blowingly not conceivable".

Maxwell is seeking a pardon from Trump and has been accused of lying to federal officials.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ghislaine Maxwell interview transcripts released by US justice department

Maxwell was interviewed after pressure on Trump to release information about whether prominent figures were involved in Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.
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Andy_Ross said:
Maxwell was interviewed in July and, according to the released transcript
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The transcripts and audio recordings are now available online.

Orphia Nay said:
Wait, Maxwell thinks Epstein was murdered?
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Maxwell was charged (but not tried) for perjury, so what she thinks and what she says may not be the same thing. What she says about this is on pages 205 through 207 of the Day 1 transcript.

The most directly relevant excerpt:
TODD BLANCHE: [....] Do you -- so you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given all the things we just talked about.
GISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he died by suicide, no.
BLANCHE: And do you believe that -- do you have any speculation or view of who killed him?
MAXWELL: I -- no, I don't.
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