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The Know Rogan Experience

arthwollipot said:
But here's the thing. You're not spreading it. You're not contributing to Rogan's listenership. You're not being exposed to his advertising partners. You're not spreading Rogan an any way by listening to this show. Marsh and Cecil are, but they're adding a total of two people to Rogan's listenership while potentially speaking to thousands about what Rogan is saying.

One thing I like is that the second part of the show is a segment they call the Skeptical Toolbox, in which they take one of the tools of skepticism and apply it to what Rogan and his guests are saying. In the first episode they examined the strawman argument, and highlighted several segments of the show where this kind of fallacy was used, and in the second it was cherry-picking. So they're essentially doing skeptical education using a direct, practical example to illustrate it. They chose a good subject for this, since Rogan appears to use pretty much every logical fallacy in the book on a regular basis.

The other thing that struck me after listening to the second episode is that Rogan appears to have zero curiosity, despite what he and others claim. He comes to a statement that boils down to "someone somewhere is doing a thing". Now for me, the next obvious questions would be "who, where, and what?" but Rogan never goes there. "Someone somewhere is doing a thing" is the entire argument.
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You and others are mentioning his name on the internet. Google search and you find it. That contributes to his popularity and longevity. Doesn't matter how sceptical it is. Clicks = popularity = validation.
 
Norman Alexander said:
You and others are mentioning his name on the internet. Google search and you find it. That contributes to his popularity and longevity. Doesn't matter how sceptical it is. Clicks = popularity = validation.
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If someone searches for "Joe Rogan" and this podcast comes up, I'd consider that a win.
 
Norman Alexander said:
You and others are mentioning his name on the internet. Google search and you find it. That contributes to his popularity and longevity. Doesn't matter how sceptical it is. Clicks = popularity = validation.
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"That contributes to his popularity and longevity"? Infamy*, maybe.

*notoriety gained from actions considered dangerous, disrespectful, immoral, unethical, or otherwise perceived in a negative manner.
 
Orphia Nay said:
"That contributes to his popularity and longevity"? Infamy*, maybe.

*notoriety gained from actions considered dangerous, disrespectful, immoral, unethical, or otherwise perceived in a negative manner.
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Notorious? Like Trump?
Look how poorly life is treating both of them. 😡
 
The third episode is with UFO enthusiast and filmmaker James Fox. Again Rogan shows zero curiosity. He acknowledges that there is something mysterious, and stops there.

The Skeptical Toolbox segment is about the Argument from Authority, and how UFO enthusiasts love it. This guy is an ex Air Force colonel, so obviously he knows what he's talking about when he talks about UFOs.

I'm enjoying the show so far.
 
Orphia Nay said:
"That contributes to his popularity and longevity"? Infamy*, maybe.

*notoriety gained from actions considered dangerous, disrespectful, immoral, unethical, or otherwise perceived in a negative manner.
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No, I meant popularity. People watch his bilge because lots of other people watch his bilge. So they believe it.

Like Trump and The Apprentice, he must be a great businessman because millions watch him.

Eat feces. Ten billion flies can't be wrong.
 
Norman Alexander said:
You and others are mentioning his name on the internet. Google search and you find it. That contributes to his popularity and longevity. Doesn't matter how sceptical it is. Clicks = popularity = validation.
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It's already the most popular podcast in the world, it's probably too late for ignoring it have any effect. Analysing some of the claims might help at least a few people who might otherwise believe it on the basis of its popularity.
 
Yeah, I'm a little confused. Sounds like this podcast contributes to Joe's reach the same way Stop Sylvia Browne contributed to hers. I mean, absolutely don't listen if it's not your thing but listening isn't for helping the guy.
 
arthwollipot said:
Listening to a show that criticises him doesn't help him.
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The content is not the point. Full marks for it, honestly. But all it does is add click-counts to Rogan in total. Because total "mentions" of his name, good, bad or ugly, are what count for them and their followers. "We matter! We're relevant! We're YUGE! Because someone is talking about us on the internet!"
 
That cat is so far out of the bag it’s no longer in the same county. I suppose critical podcasts can allow some fans to say ‘look how much they hate our guy for no reason!’ which is pretty annoying, but I don’t think ‘enabling a persecution complex’ is usually a good reason to withhold criticism, or to avoid engaging with it.
 
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Lithrael said:
That cat is so far out of the bag it’s no longer in the same county. I suppose critical podcasts can allow some fans to say ‘look how much they hate our guy for no reason!’ which is pretty annoying, but I don’t think ‘enabling a persecution complex’ is usually a good reason to withhold criticism, or to avoid engaging with it.
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They should use a funny nickname or pseudonym for Rogan, never use his actual name. Then it would be better. Mr R. The Rogester. Whatever.
 
Lithrael said:
That cat is so far out of the bag it’s no longer in the same county. I suppose critical podcasts can allow some fans to say ‘look how much they hate our guy for no reason!’ which is pretty annoying, but I don’t think ‘enabling a persecution complex’ is usually a good reason to withhold criticism, or to avoid engaging with it.
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They actually go out of their way to be as reasonable as possible, even to the extent of having a small segment at the end where they say what they actually liked about the show. Of course, in the Patreon feed, they apparently take the gloves off, which I interpret to mean that they are far more critical and less polite.

Next episode is Rogan's recent interview with Mel Gibson, so that promises to be a hoot.
 
So I listened Episode 5 with Mel Gibson and boy, that dude is seriously detached from reality. I mean his religion, sure, which is weird enough as it is, but when Rogan pushes back on some of Gibson's claims, Gibson basically goes "whatever, I don't care".

Like when Gibson said that he believes that humans were created by God about 8,000 years ago (yes, he's a YEC), Rogan comes back with evidence from radiocarbon dating. Gibson doesn't believe in radiocarbon dating. Rogan says that the science is extremely solid on it. Gibson says it doesn't matter because how does it affect him anyway?

Dude. It's important to know what's real and what's not!

The Skeptical Toolbox in this episode is the Argument from Anecdote, which Gibson uses constantly. He claims efficacy for Neil Riordan's stem cell therapy, which Joe then happily ties into the Big Medicine conspiracy claiming that "they" suppress treatments that work so that they can keep you hooked on the drugs that they sell you.

Finally, Marsh and Cecil agreed that they liked how Rogan pushed back against Gibson's anti-evolutionary beliefs, but they also pointed out that he only pushes back when it's something he believes, and never when someone else is confirming his own narrative, and he isn't even consistent with it.

Next episode is Rogan's interview with none other than the Zuck himself, so that'll be interesting.
 
So Episode 6 with Mark Zuckerberg was rather predictable. Zuck basically made all the same arguments that Andreessen made in #2. The government is coming after him because he has the "wrong" opinions. No, they're coming after you because your business practices are predatory and abusive, and in many cases just straight up illegal.

They also discuss the "community notes" change to Facebook, and point out some obvious flaws with that strategy.

The Skeptical Toolbox this episode is the Red Herring, which is demonstrated many times in the interview.

One thing that they do discuss briefly at the end is that one day and probably soon, Joe Rogan is going to find out about this podcast, and then a legion of Joe Bros is going to descend and downrate this show into oblivion. So they need all the support now that they can get. I've already reviewed it.
 
arthwollipot said:
One thing that they do discuss briefly at the end is that one day and probably soon, Joe Rogan is going to find out about this podcast, and then a legion of Joe Bros is going to descend and downrate this show into oblivion. So they need all the support now that they can get. I've already reviewed it.
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Nobody likes a parasite. These guys are never going to get a candid interview with Zuckerberg or Andreesen. All they can hope for is to ride Rogan's coattails, pooping on them all the way.
 
theprestige said:
Nobody likes a parasite. These guys are never going to get a candid interview with Zuckerberg or Andreesen. All they can hope for is to ride Rogan's coattails, pooping on them all the way.
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Rogan's coattails could do with a little pooping on, if you ask me.
 
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