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What no riots?

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Knock on wood, but so far I have not seen any news of such things which I was sure would happen regardless of who won, given the history of both sides having no problem using current events as an excuse to do so. (Yes both sides...anyone trying to claim it's only one side or the other is clueless and I will ignore)

Props to those who wanted Harris to win who did not go down that road. In fact, while I'm far from a fan, props to Harris, because if Trump had lost, I've no doubt he would have cried foul.

Hope this holds up. It's messing with my cynicism though. :)
 
Just like US unemployment, according to Trump, dropped from 50% to 0% when he got sworn in in Jan2020, claims of widespread, systematic, organized Voter Fraud disappeared the moment he took a decisive lead.

It's just lies, always is, and Trumpers know and love it.
 
As I posted in another thread, the fact that the election was a rout doesn't lend itself to protests. You protest when the result was close and you can make the argument that something was unfair. When you get slaughtered, you have little choice but to think your loss was legitimate.

The next logical step would be for the Democrats to give serious consideration to what they did wrong, rather than to blame their losses on the "deplorables" or, as MSNBC has done, on black misogynists and hispanic racist-misogynists:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854207945665286294
 
Eh, who likes riots? Generally a confutation of events. Like a pool of vaporized gasoline and a spark. As far as I know the voting was quite peaceful. No big preceding confrontational crowds, hence no gas. Heck, just sporting events end up in riots, even for just the winning team. However, you still need that build up of pent up energy for a spark to release. Didn't seem to have that this time, heard mentality can be a big driving factor in such but no built up heard, no gas to ignite. Jan 6 2021 had all the elements a heard built up over weeks perhaps months. One of my coworkers was thinking about going to DC for it. I looked for him on the TV but didn't see him, he stayed at home. So like a fire (fuel, heat & oxygen) riots need components. The things missing, from my perspective, in this case were fuel (confrontational crowds), Oxygen (someone or thing feeding the confrontational crowd) heat was around but tamped down so never reached a vaporific point for the other components that just didn't seem to be there. Again just from my perspective. Only time will tell, and having lived through the sixties and seeing those riots, the 90's and the LA riots. Yeah, keep knocking on wood.
 
jt512 said:
As I posted in another thread, the fact that the election was a rout doesn't lend itself to protests. You protest when the result was close and you can make the argument that something was unfair. When you get slaughtered, you have little choice but to think your loss was legitimate.
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This idea lacks explanatory power. Biden won by a similar margin in 2020, and yet there was an insurrection.

There is a clear difference here, and the difference lies in the fact that one party foments conspiracy theories and pursues grievances at the highest levels, and the other does not.
 
mumblethrax said:
This idea lacks explanatory power. Biden won by a similar margin in 2020, and yet there was an insurrection.

There is a clear difference here, and the difference lies in the fact that one party foments conspiracy theories and pursues grievances at the highest levels, and the other does not.
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How the MAGA people would have reacted is beside the point, since Trump won. My point was that there likely would have been riots had Harris won by a narrow enough margin to give leftist extremists an excuse to blame their loss on, for instance, voter suppression.
 
jt512 said:
How the MAGA people would have reacted is beside the point, since Trump won.
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No, it isn't. Your reasoning was presented in general terms.

My point was that there likely would have been riots had Harris won by a narrow enough margin to give leftist extremists an excuse to blame their loss on, for instance, voter suppression.
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Assuming you mean Trump, rather than Harris, you have no basis for believing that. There weren't riots in 2016, when Clinton won the popular vote.
 
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jt512 said:
How the MAGA people would have reacted is beside the point, since Trump won. My point was that there likely would have been riots had Harris won by a narrow enough margin to give leftist extremists an excuse to blame their loss on, for instance, voter suppression.
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Are you saying that leftist extremists would have rioted if Trump lost by a narrow margin?
 
jt512 said:
As I posted in another thread, the fact that the election was a rout doesn't lend itself to protests. You protest when the result was close and you can make the argument that something was unfair. When you get slaughtered, you have little choice but to think your loss was legitimate.
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Good point and refreshingly objective/lucid, thank you. I wouldn't call this election a "rout" or a "slaughter" by any means, but it was decisive, so your points stands.
 
mumblethrax said:
Fair enough, but this doesn't rescue the contention that there is only reason to riot when an election is close.
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I don't think that a close election is a reason to riot at all, much less the only reason. I do think it makes rioting more probable.
 
jt512 said:
I don't think that a close election is a reason to riot at all, much less the only reason. I do think it makes rioting more probable.
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Ok. That seems to be a different claim to the one you made earlier, but it's more defensible.
 
Andy Ngo claims on X that police have had to break up violent antifa/leftist protesting the election results on the eve of the 6th in Seattle and Portland.
I can’t sort out links to the posts on this device.
 
mumblethrax said:
Ok. That seems to be a different claim to the one you made earlier, but it's more defensible.
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Look, I think we're fundamentally in agreement on this. But I'm posting using informal natural language. I'm not holding myself to the same standard that I would if writing a piece for a peer review journal. Nor is anyone else. Given the forum, you could be a bit more charitable.
 
jt512 said:
Look, I think we're fundamentally in agreement on this. But I'm posting using informal natural language. I'm not holding myself to the same standard that I would if writing a piece for a peer review journal. Nor is anyone else. Given the forum, you could be a bit more charitable.
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I don't think I'm demanding an unreasonable degree of rigor, and I think I am being charitable in allowing the substitution of one claim for another. "You protest when the result was close and you can make the argument that something was unfair" is significantly different from "A close election make rioting more probable" on any plain-language read. I don't think the former can be squared with recent history (because 2020 wasn't close and you can't make the argument that something was unfair)--the latter can be. We're in agreement only after the substitution.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Just like US unemployment, according to Trump, dropped from 50% to 0% when he got sworn in in Jan2020, claims of widespread, systematic, organized Voter Fraud disappeared the moment he took a decisive lead.

It's just lies, always is, and Trumpers know and love it.
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They didn't when he won the last time. Even after being elected in 2016 he claimed he would have won by more if not for fraud.
 
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