jeremyp
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Well, I am assuming that any new ones they sell will come out of the factory with this problem fixed and, as dirtywick says, 11,000 is all of the Cybertrucks out in the wild.
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Well, I am assuming that any new ones they sell will come out of the factory with this problem fixed and, as dirtywick says, 11,000 is all of the Cybertrucks out in the wild.
The Great Zaganza
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Well, a number of vehicles have already broken down, not sure it's worth fixing their wipers.
Fast Eddie B
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Teething problems are to be expected in a new product with several fairly unique features - Steer By Wire, 48V architecture, etc.
But I’m still surprised at the nature of some of these defects, especially trim pieces coming detached, the throttle cover fiasco and software glitches. Much was made of the allegedly extensive testing Tesla did on pre-production prototypes, some of it in rather harsh conditions.
Still, it’s hard to get a handle on the overall failure rate. It seems there are a lot of happy CyberTruck owners out there. But I’ll stipulate the overall impression is a product rushed into production, in spite of the 4 year gap between unveiling and first delivery. I still think the CyberTruck may succeed as a niche vehicle, but these bugs and recalls will certainly give Rivian*, Ford, GM and Stellantis an opportunity to provide and sell more practical EV trucks.
*Rivian just entered into a partnership with VW and got a huge infusion of cash, with more to follow. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
But I’m still surprised at the nature of some of these defects, especially trim pieces coming detached, the throttle cover fiasco and software glitches. Much was made of the allegedly extensive testing Tesla did on pre-production prototypes, some of it in rather harsh conditions.
Still, it’s hard to get a handle on the overall failure rate. It seems there are a lot of happy CyberTruck owners out there. But I’ll stipulate the overall impression is a product rushed into production, in spite of the 4 year gap between unveiling and first delivery. I still think the CyberTruck may succeed as a niche vehicle, but these bugs and recalls will certainly give Rivian*, Ford, GM and Stellantis an opportunity to provide and sell more practical EV trucks.
*Rivian just entered into a partnership with VW and got a huge infusion of cash, with more to follow. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
jeremyp
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I think they probably concentrated on the new stuff like the steer-by-wire and the 48 volt electrics and forgot about quality control on the mundane stuff.
It's interesting, but what has been delivered is not what was unveiled four years ago. It's much more expensive and has a shorter range. It's also not built using the "revolutionary" exoskeleton but using a more conventional unibody construction. I think these and the long development time are symptoms of what was unveiled actually being impossible to deliver.
These minor niggles (accepting the safety concern with the accelerator pedal) wouldn't be an issue if Tesla had delivered what it said it would in the time frame Elon Musk promised.
Fast Eddie B
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I’m sure I’ve posted this before, but as a reminder…
I remember watching the unveil and thinking if they even come close to hitting that $39,900 price point they’d sell a ton of them. That’s actually below the average new car price in the U.S. and WAY below what most ICE trucks sell for.
As an aside, if that prediction of a 500 mile range had come to fruition, we’d probably own one today. But now quite content with our Toyota Tundra and will revisit the EV truck offerings a year or two down the road.
I Am The Scum
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Saw my first one in the wild last week. They're actually uglier in person.
theprestige
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The right idea, expressed in probably the wrongest way possible.
plague311
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It pisses me off that it's called a truck. That's not a truck. It's an SUV. If you can't fit anything bigger than a bicycle in the vehicle easily then it's definitely not a truck.
I also don't understand why anyone that would be in the market for a truck would give a hot fresh **** what the 0-60 is. It would definitely, DEFINITELY be a niche market because all the construction people I know would laugh their ass off if I asked them, "Would you buy a truck that can't fit 4-2x4s in it, but can go 0-60 in 5 seconds?"
I still don't understand the appeal. The only thing it's good for is impressing other people and getting attention, neither of which would matter to most people I know. It's the least practical vehicle I can think of.
I also don't understand why anyone that would be in the market for a truck would give a hot fresh **** what the 0-60 is. It would definitely, DEFINITELY be a niche market because all the construction people I know would laugh their ass off if I asked them, "Would you buy a truck that can't fit 4-2x4s in it, but can go 0-60 in 5 seconds?"
I still don't understand the appeal. The only thing it's good for is impressing other people and getting attention, neither of which would matter to most people I know. It's the least practical vehicle I can think of.
theprestige
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SUVs are just trucks that have traded cargo capacity and ease of loading for passenger comfort.
Fast Eddie B
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Seems like an odd thing to be pissed off about.
Trucks or pickups can vary enormously in size and capability. The Ford Ranchero and Chevy El Camino had their niche back in the day. And more recently Subaru had some success with its Brat and Baja, and Jeep’s Gladiator is pretty popular to this date.
So, some folks seem to like “scaled down” trucks. And the CyberTruck is also being criticized for being too large. And its bed is roughly the same size as most crew cab, short bed pickups.
So what’s to be angry about???
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2024 Cybertruck bed dimensions: 51 W x 72.92 L
2024 Ford F-150 bed dimensions: 50.6 W x 67.1 L
Elon Musk purchased Twitter and refused to continue censoring democrats' political opposition.
jeremyp
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All trucks are just fashion statements. In sane countries, if you are in the business of hauling building materials around, you don't ue a truck, you use a van like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1vUjaeSvXTn4GCy6
It has vastly more carrying capacity than probably any truck, the convenience of sides that can be lowered and is probably more efficient.
All trucks are basically just penis extensions, pretty much like all sports cars (I say that as an Audi S3 owner).
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I partly disagree, a truck "or a pickup", especially a four wheel drive one is a useful piece of machinery if you're a farmer, forestry worker or similar. I see a lot of very beaten up, quite old, pickups doing a decent job around here.
A Cybertruck would likely not be suitable for fulfilling that role.
Sherkeu
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I have a small hatchback car that is technically an SUV.
SUVs have a different standards, and different taxes or write offs depending on location. What they actually perform as, or look like, is not that important.
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4wd is great in snow and i like to have the bed available for a variety of things, particularly yard waste. i wouldn’t mind a smaller truck with better gas mileage but they simply don’t make too many of them
I see lots of work trucks, and ones like that are very rare (Colorado, USA).
What you do see are lots of pickups. But the catch is that many of the working trucks don't have the standard pickup beds, they have flatbeds or utility beds or beds custom built to fit this or that job.
I think the ease of replacing the bed of the truck is something really is a weakness in the Cyber truck. It'll always be just a general purpose sort of truck, with limited ability to be kitted out for specialized jobs.
Fast Eddie B
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I'm just about to head over to the dump/recycling in our Tundra with about 5 large garbage bags*, a large bag of plastic, and a bunch of cardboard boxes and paper to recycle. One could do this in a van, I suppose, but garbage can be pretty leaky/stinky and hauling it in an open bed makes more sense.
In any case, maybe its just me, but I don't feel like I'm doing it just to be fashionable!
*Ours plus helping out a neighbor.
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ponderingturtle
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In the US a vehicle like that would be unlikely to be based off a van but would rather be based off a truck. Though in the recent remodeling I had done they brought a box truck not a pickup truck.
Flatbed vans are just not available in the US
plague311
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Ok, and? We obviously have different names for them for a reason, right?
Thank you for your feedback. I'll file it away.
No kidding?! Thanks for that! I had no idea.
How is that working out now? See a lot of them around? No? Guess why.
The Jeep Gladiator also has an actual bed to put **** in. I drive a Toyota Tacoma. I obviously get the point of smaller trucks. I use mine all of the ******* time when hauling stuff since I buy storage units. The majority of the cars you listed aren't even being made anymore. There's rumor of a new baja and brat, but neither have been in production for awhile. You're quite literally making my point for me.
Considering I'm one of them this isn't news to me at all.
It's not being criticized for being too big because of the bed, is it? How many people are complaining that the cybertruck just has too much internal and bed storage capacity?
I already said why, it's an SUV being called a truck.
I didn't say **** about the size of the bed, did I? Reading comprehension aside, I'll throw you two a bone:
In non-tech speak, they're **** to use for hauling stuff. I seriously thought that was so clear by what I said, but here we are.
If this is directed at me, you're barking up the wrong tree. I don't use Twitter so I don't give a rats ass what's on it, who uses it, or what is being censored. I do find it absolutely hilarious that it's worth a fraction (maybe 40-50%) of what it used to be worth all because of Musk's quality leadership.