The Dead and Those About to Die - Omaha Beach

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It wasn't my intent to start a thread about Omaha Beach on June 6, but here I am.


Actually, a few weeks ago, I found myself in a real bookstore, something which hardly ever happens these days, and I decided I would read a real book. You know, one with covers, and words and pages and things, made out of paper.

The book I chose was "The Dead and Thos About to Die" subtitled

"D-Day: The Big Red One at Omaha Beach"

(John McManus. 2014)

It is about the experience of the US First Infantry Division on D-Day, at the southern half of Omaha Beach. It turned out to be nearly exactly what I was looking for. I was looking for a detailed description of what the fighting was like on the beach. I had heard lots of elderly veterans describe it in youtube videos, but their descriptions were rather personal. They didn't really give a 'big picture' view of things.

In particular, I never really understood just how long the whole affair went on. Like a lot of people, I think my knowledge of D-Day is heavily influenced by movies. "Saving Private Ryan" and "The Longest Day" are especially well known. In those movies, the first wave hits the beach. It's chaos. GI's hide at the sea wall, then slowly go forward until someone gets them some Banagalore Torpedoes. They blow a hold in the barbed wire and streamed off the beach. The whole thing took thirty minutes or less. It had to, because the whole darned movie could only be three hours long, at most, and they had lots of other scenes to do. I always kind of wondered how long it really took.

So, I bought the book, and read it.

It turns out it took a lot longer than it did in the movies. The first wave was so shot up that they weren't going anywhere. The bombers had pretty much missed the entire beach, and the naval targeting was ineffective, so the German defenders were ready and waiting. The invaders really couldn't do much of anything in the face of such strong fire.

One thing I had known for a long time, but this book drove home, was that the battle wasn't supposed to be handfuls of men crawling up hills and assaulting pillboxes. It was supposed to be small groups of men supporting tanks, who were assaulting pillboxes. There were supposed to be nearly 100 American tanks on the beach. Only a handful ever made it to sand. Most of them sank. Almost all the first wave tanks sank. More of the second wave got there. Unfortunately, with so few tanks on shore, they were targets, and so the ones who didn't drown in the heavy surf took huge losses once they hit the beach.

Nevertheless, one of the first big successes was when a tank knocked out an 88 that was overlooking the beach. It happened at 7:10 am, fourty minutes after the initial moments of landing.

Meanwhile, another thing I had heard of, but really hadn't appreciated the significance of, was that two other German strongpoints took direct hits from US Navy destroyers who came in abnormally close to short. With no significant tank support, and no artillery, the destroyers were the only real heavy weapons in the neighborhood. Their normal operational mode would keep them too far from the beach to play a major part in the battle. However, with the landings in deep trouble., they got close to the beach, and opened up with their 5 inch guns, taking out some more of the German artillery. It was probably made easier by the fact that the progress was slow enough that high tide was coming on, so they could get closer and take out some of the artillery.

Had that one tank not been able to knock out the 88, and the destroyers knock out some of the other heavy targets, including some big guns, those pluck bands of Bangalore Torpedo carriers might have been cut down by shrapnel.

More than anything else, what I really leared from reading the book was how much of an absolute disaster that beach was. I sort of had an opinion that Omaha was such a killing ground because the terrain there was the most favorable to the defenders. It's probably true that it was the best terrain of the five landing beaches, but the other reality is that it was just an utter failure. Nothing worked. The sea was too heavy for the tanks. The cloud cover was too heavy for the bombers and the high altitude bombers. The landing craft landed in the wrong place. The engineers trying to clear the obstacles had big problem because the theory was that the machine guns that were killing them would have been knocked out by some combination of naval gunfire, tanks, and bombers. Instead, it killed a lot of engineers, which meant they didn't clear the obstacles as well as planned, which led to lots of boats hitting obstacles.

The day just started bad, and got worse. Nevertheless, the surviving infantry did go up those draws, get near the pillboxes, and kill or capture the enemy, eventually. Hours later.

In all, a good book. Just what I was looking for. By having a narrow focus, not just on one beach, but on half of one beach, I got a much better idea of what really happened on Omaha Beach that day, 78 years ago today. The auther's style manages to give a factual account, but while conveying a bit of the sense of urgency rhat was being experienced. It was factual without being dry, but it was suffienitly factual to remain real history rather than some books which are practically novelizations.


And then it got me curious. What happened at the other beaches, that caused them not to suffer the same fate. Well, I only read one more book, to find out.

"Utah Beach".

Joseph Balkoski
2005

Utah Beach had fairly light casualties, and within 90 minutes was mostly silent. After that, long range artillery continued to shell the beach, but the immediate landings were much easier.

What went right there? A different kind of bomber was used for the pre-invasion bombing. They flew at lower altitudes, and they flew parallel to the beach instead of coming in perpendicular. They could see better, and if they missed, they still probably hit something. The naval fire was a lot more effective. One huge factor was that someone figured out that the sea was too heavy for the DD tanks, so the naval vessels from which they launched came closer to the shore before launching. Almost all of them hit the beach.

So, in contrast to Utah, the German survivors of very effective bombing and naval bombardment were staring at an army of tanks. A lot of them were eager to end the war quickly and surrender.

The terrain also did play a role. The pillboxes did not have the commanding view. Also, the author notes that there were also two divisions of paratroopers behind the Germans, so if they ran away, thew would likely meet some very unfriendly greeting parties on their way out.


As a book, "Utah Beach" was very informative, but it lacked some of the writing style of "The Dead and Those About to Die." It just wasn't as exciting to read. However, it's not a bad book at all. Very informative. Lots of primary source material, soldiers' interviews and such. I learned a lot about D-Day from both of them.

I had intended to start a thread when I finished reading "Utah Beach", which I did tonight, and saw the timestamp on my computer, noting the interesting coincidence.
 
D Day was won because the Germans believed their spies about Calais being where the landing would happen.

I might check out those books. I’ve read a lot of Anthony Beevor, and found his “History of World War II” an excellent summary of the main battles. He spent some time on D Day, but without going into great detail.

My wife and I visited the D Day beaches, and we still have strong images of them.
 
I took my then-16-year-old autistic son to the memorial in Normandy. He normally lacks the ability to feel empathy, but he cried and cried and cried. When he could finally speak, the only thing he could say was, "They were so young."


None of the adults on the visit could talk for a long time, either.
 
I took my then-16-year-old autistic son to the memorial in Normandy. He normally lacks the ability to feel empathy, but he cried and cried and cried. When he could finally speak, the only thing he could say was, "They were so young."

None of the adults on the visit could talk for a long time, either.

There are two war memorials I have visited in my life that had a tremendous emotional impact on me. I don't mind admitting they brought me to tears.

The first was that Normandy Memorial at Colleville-sur-Mer in France, and the second was the USS Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbour. Of those, I think Pearl Harbour was the most impactful - it was that marble wall of names at the end opposite the main entrance (north west end?) that set me off.

Its staggering to think that of the 2300+ service members who died in that attack, more than half of them were on the USS Arizona.
 
There are two war memorials I have visited in my life that had a tremendous emotional impact on me. I don't mind admitting they brought me to tears.

The first was that Normandy Memorial at Colleville-sur-Mer in France, and the second was the USS Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbour. Of those, I think Pearl Harbour was the most impactful - it was that marble wall of names at the end opposite the main entrance (north west end?) that set me off.

Its staggering to think that of the 2300+ service members who died in that attack, more than half of them were on the USS Arizona.

I have had the honour to attend both. I think the D Day landing site was more emotional, particular with the cemetery nearby.
 
The book I chose was "The Dead and Thos About to Die" subtitled

"D-Day: The Big Red One at Omaha Beach"

(John McManus. 2014)

Stephen Ambrose covered some of the same points in his book. D Day: June 6, 1944: The Climactic Battle of World War II.

Did you read the Ambrose book? How did it compare to McManus?

Ranb
 
Stephen Ambrose covered some of the same points in his book. D Day: June 6, 1944: The Climactic Battle of World War II.

Did you read the Ambrose book? How did it compare to McManus?

Ranb

The only Ambrose book I've read is "Band of Brothers".
 
I remember where my almost-three-year old self was in the early morning of June 6, 1944. I was standing in the backyard at my home in Gloucester with my Dad as waves of planes, heading south, flew overhead with their lights on. I had never before seen a plane with lights on. The lights and the sound stay with me.
 
It wasn't my intent to start a thread about Omaha Beach on June 6, but here I am.


Actually, a few weeks ago, I found myself in a real bookstore, something which hardly ever happens these days, and I decided I would read a real book. You know, one with covers, and words and pages and things, made out of paper.

The book I chose was "The Dead and Thos About to Die" subtitled

"D-Day: The Big Red One at Omaha Beach"

(John McManus. 2014)

It is about the experience of the US First Infantry Division on D-Day, at the southern half of Omaha Beach. It turned out to be nearly exactly what I was looking for. I was looking for a detailed description of what the fighting was like on the beach. I had heard lots of elderly veterans describe it in youtube videos, but their descriptions were rather personal. They didn't really give a 'big picture' view of things.

In particular, I never really understood just how long the whole affair went on. Like a lot of people, I think my knowledge of D-Day is heavily influenced by movies. "Saving Private Ryan" and "The Longest Day" are especially well known. In those movies, the first wave hits the beach. It's chaos. GI's hide at the sea wall, then slowly go forward until someone gets them some Banagalore Torpedoes. They blow a hold in the barbed wire and streamed off the beach. The whole thing took thirty minutes or less. It had to, because the whole darned movie could only be three hours long, at most, and they had lots of other scenes to do. I always kind of wondered how long it really took.

So, I bought the book, and read it.

It turns out it took a lot longer than it did in the movies. The first wave was so shot up that they weren't going anywhere. The bombers had pretty much missed the entire beach, and the naval targeting was ineffective, so the German defenders were ready and waiting. The invaders really couldn't do much of anything in the face of such strong fire.

One thing I had known for a long time, but this book drove home, was that the battle wasn't supposed to be handfuls of men crawling up hills and assaulting pillboxes. It was supposed to be small groups of men supporting tanks, who were assaulting pillboxes. There were supposed to be nearly 100 American tanks on the beach. Only a handful ever made it to sand. Most of them sank. Almost all the first wave tanks sank. More of the second wave got there. Unfortunately, with so few tanks on shore, they were targets, and so the ones who didn't drown in the heavy surf took huge losses once they hit the beach.

Nevertheless, one of the first big successes was when a tank knocked out an 88 that was overlooking the beach. It happened at 7:10 am, fourty minutes after the initial moments of landing.

Meanwhile, another thing I had heard of, but really hadn't appreciated the significance of, was that two other German strongpoints took direct hits from US Navy destroyers who came in abnormally close to short. With no significant tank support, and no artillery, the destroyers were the only real heavy weapons in the neighborhood. Their normal operational mode would keep them too far from the beach to play a major part in the battle. However, with the landings in deep trouble., they got close to the beach, and opened up with their 5 inch guns, taking out some more of the German artillery. It was probably made easier by the fact that the progress was slow enough that high tide was coming on, so they could get closer and take out some of the artillery.

Had that one tank not been able to knock out the 88, and the destroyers knock out some of the other heavy targets, including some big guns, those pluck bands of Bangalore Torpedo carriers might have been cut down by shrapnel.

More than anything else, what I really leared from reading the book was how much of an absolute disaster that beach was. I sort of had an opinion that Omaha was such a killing ground because the terrain there was the most favorable to the defenders. It's probably true that it was the best terrain of the five landing beaches, but the other reality is that it was just an utter failure. Nothing worked. The sea was too heavy for the tanks. The cloud cover was too heavy for the bombers and the high altitude bombers. The landing craft landed in the wrong place. The engineers trying to clear the obstacles had big problem because the theory was that the machine guns that were killing them would have been knocked out by some combination of naval gunfire, tanks, and bombers. Instead, it killed a lot of engineers, which meant they didn't clear the obstacles as well as planned, which led to lots of boats hitting obstacles.

The day just started bad, and got worse. Nevertheless, the surviving infantry did go up those draws, get near the pillboxes, and kill or capture the enemy, eventually. Hours later.

In all, a good book. Just what I was looking for. By having a narrow focus, not just on one beach, but on half of one beach, I got a much better idea of what really happened on Omaha Beach that day, 78 years ago today. The auther's style manages to give a factual account, but while conveying a bit of the sense of urgency rhat was being experienced. It was factual without being dry, but it was suffienitly factual to remain real history rather than some books which are practically novelizations.


And then it got me curious. What happened at the other beaches, that caused them not to suffer the same fate. Well, I only read one more book, to find out.

"Utah Beach".

Joseph Balkoski
2005

Utah Beach had fairly light casualties, and within 90 minutes was mostly silent. After that, long range artillery continued to shell the beach, but the immediate landings were much easier.

What went right there? A different kind of bomber was used for the pre-invasion bombing. They flew at lower altitudes, and they flew parallel to the beach instead of coming in perpendicular. They could see better, and if they missed, they still probably hit something. The naval fire was a lot more effective. One huge factor was that someone figured out that the sea was too heavy for the DD tanks, so the naval vessels from which they launched came closer to the shore before launching. Almost all of them hit the beach.

So, in contrast to Utah, the German survivors of very effective bombing and naval bombardment were staring at an army of tanks. A lot of them were eager to end the war quickly and surrender.

The terrain also did play a role. The pillboxes did not have the commanding view. Also, the author notes that there were also two divisions of paratroopers behind the Germans, so if they ran away, thew would likely meet some very unfriendly greeting parties on their way out.


As a book, "Utah Beach" was very informative, but it lacked some of the writing style of "The Dead and Those About to Die." It just wasn't as exciting to read. However, it's not a bad book at all. Very informative. Lots of primary source material, soldiers' interviews and such. I learned a lot about D-Day from both of them.

I had intended to start a thread when I finished reading "Utah Beach", which I did tonight, and saw the timestamp on my computer, noting the interesting coincidence.
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It's a good book, pretty much everything McManus writes is worth reading.
 
The other real beach slaughter the US had happened about 7 months before Omaha at Tarawa in the Pacific, which resulted in a bloodbath for the US Marines.
Same basic situationL The landing got held up on the Beach, and horrendous casaulties resulted.
And in both cases the tide had a lot to do with it. The impact was guesed wrongly in both places.
I always wondered why the lessons of Tarawa were not passed on to the US Army. but then the US Army had a tendacy to regard the Marines and even US Army soldiers in the Pacific as "bush league".
 
Just got back from Omaha beach and other places nearby. I went there when very little in 1952, and was interested to see how it looks now. It's more civilized and tame now, but it's still pretty intense. Then again, here I live in the cradle of revolution, some of the great battles of independence just over the hill.

REALITY DEMANDS

Reality demands
that we also mention this:
Life goes on.
It continues at Cannae and Borodino,
at Kosovo Polje and Guernica.

There’s a gas station
on a little square in Jericho,
and wet paint
on park benches in Bila Hora.
Letters fly back and forth
between Pearl Harbor and Hastings,
a moving van passes
beneath the eye of the lion at Chaeronea,
and the blooming orchards near Verdun
cannot escape
the approaching atmospheric front.

There is so much Everything
that Nothing is hidden quite nicely.
Music pours
from the yachts moored at Actium
and couples dance on the sunlit decks.

So much is always going on,
that it must be going on all over.
Where not a stone still stands,
you see the Ice Cream Man
besieged by children.
Where Hiroshima had been
Hiroshima is again,
producing many products
for everyday use.
This terrifying world is not devoid of charms,
of the mornings
that make waking up worthwhile.

The grass is green
on Maciejowice’s fields,
and it is studded with dew,
as is normal grass.

Perhaps all fields are battlefields,
those we remember
and those that are forgotten:
the birch forests and the cedar forests,
the snow and the sand, the iridescent swamps
and the canyons of black defeat,
where now, when the need strikes, you don’t cower
under a bush but squat behind it.

What moral flows from this? Probably none.
Only that blood flows, drying quickly,
and, as always, a few rivers, a few clouds.

On tragic mountain passes
the wind rips hats from unwitting heads
and we can’t help
laughing at that.

Wislawa Szymborska
 
The other real beach slaughter the US had happened about 7 months before Omaha at Tarawa in the Pacific, which resulted in a bloodbath for the US Marines.
Same basic situationL The landing got held up on the Beach, and horrendous casaulties resulted.
And in both cases the tide had a lot to do with it. The impact was guesed wrongly in both places.
I always wondered why the lessons of Tarawa were not passed on to the US Army. but then the US Army had a tendacy to regard the Marines and even US Army soldiers in the Pacific as "bush league".

There was another, other one, Anzio.
 
There was another, other one, Anzio.

Anzio was bit different. They got ashore against light opposition, only encounered problems when they moved inland. Anzio was never held up during the landings the way that Omaha and Tatawa were.
Salerno was the same. Not deneying the two Italian beacheads were horrific battles, but they different then Omaha/Taraws in that the serious fighing devleoped inland from the beaches.
 
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For me one of the most fascinating things about D-Day is Operation Bodyguard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bodyguard). The operation to mislead Germany of the date and the place for the invasion.

Cornelius Ryan has a book on D-day called The Longest Day. I've only read his book about the battle for Berlin but that was a masterpiece.

Uh, there was also that obscure movie made from the Longest Day.
Serously, a couple of generations of people got their main impressions of D Day from the film.
 
I just got through reading McManus's Trilogy of books on the US Army in the Pacific starting with "Fire and Fortitude". His reason for writing this is that, in the popular eye,in the Pacific Theater the Navy and the Marines have gotten most of the intention,with the Army taking relatively second place. The books were written to try to correct this.
Excellent books. Last Volume 'To The Ends Of The Earth" was just published in APril.
Excellent books, and does correce the idea that the Marines were the only ones to any serous land fighting n the Pacific.
BTw McManus is not at all impressed by "Dugout Doug" and feels strongly that McArthur stole credit for the Southwest Pacific campaigns from his Army Commanders, who did much of the planning and fighting.
 

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