Today's Mass Shooting

[Norman Alexander]

Why would I deny this shooting being racially motivated? From all that I have read the shooter said it was himself. There's nothing to deny about his motivation. If it is your belief that I have denied racially motivated shootings in the past as being racially motivated, please present your evidence because I believe your claim to be completely imaginary.

There have been 201 mass shootings so far this year, the left widely ignored 200 of them and finally found one to be outraged about.

The Biden regime has been warning us about RMVE-white supremacists committing a mass shooting for close to 1 1/2 years. After nearly 800 mass shootings, they finally got their man. I know why I'm supposed to be more concerned about this than the others, but I'll take a hard pass.

It's never gone unnoticed. Just not reported on the crap news sources you indulge in.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

 

[bruto]

(REsponding to Tyr13 in fast moving thread....) Same here. I have a couple of guns, both rimfire 22's, one a semi-auto pistol, which I'd be sorry to see go. It's been a few years since I fired either of them, but I have in the distant past had to shoot a couple of varmints, and would hate to have to call the cops who never come, if a rabid something turns up, or a critter needs to be put out of its misery. Obviously neither of these guns is contributing to the crime wave, nor will they ever, but I'd not be sorry if Vermont demanded that I register them, though that's highly unlikely.

I don't expect ever to use one in self defense, and with the exception of a couple of tire-chewing porcupines, a rabid fox and a distempered raccoon, I've never shot anything living (the garden-gobbling groundhog got away!).

But they are nice pieces of precision machinery, and I must confess I have a certain liking for them in the abstract.

And when it comes down to it, if there were an actual, doable ban on guns, I'd be unhappy to give them up, especially if I knew someone would melt down that 1946 Hi-standard, but I would. But I'm no more likely to have to do that than to have to shoot the pigs as they fly by.

My mom bought the Hi-Standard semi-auto pistol before I was born. When I was little she would occasionally go out in the back yard and do some target practice. I recall one time she used a magazine cover picture of Joe McCarthy.

 

[Meadmaker]

The Biden regime has been warning us about RMVE-white supremacists committing a mass shooting for close to 1 1/2 years. After nearly 800 mass shootings, they finally got their man. I know why I'm supposed to be more concerned about this than the others, but I'll take a hard pass.

Perhaps body count has something to do with it?

 

[Bogative]

ETA: And we just had another mass shooting at a church in California, zero details at this moment.

The shooter is reported to be an inconvenient minority. Nothing to see here. Back to your programming.

 

[Wildy]

Any word/theories/insane crackpot ramblings about the choice of target? Not to too fine a point of it but this wasn't a target of opportunity, it's something he staked out and traveled a long distance to attack.

ETA: And we just had another mass shooting at a church in California, zero details at this moment.

Iirc the manifesto said it was a mix of convenience coupled with the shop being in an area with a high population of black people.

 

[dudalb]

I've read something that purports to be the attacker's manifesto. It is very long, but coherently written; it complains obsessively about European/white people not having enough children and being replaced by "invaders", and exhorts that races must be kept separate from each other in order to be coexist peacefully, hewing with a disquieting specificity to some of the rhetoric employed by certain members of this forum in the last few years. He also invokes "the 14 words" slogan as a summation of his ideology.

The whole "segregate so races can live peacefully" is a crock of you know what.
It's about white supremacy,pure and simple.

 

[dudalb]

The shooter is reported to be an inconvenient minority. Nothing to see here. Back to your programming.

God, you disgust me.
You know I am beginning to th8ink one of the reasons this site is going downhill is the mods policy of tolerating bigots and racists is becoming more then a number of people can take.

 

[dudalb]

As usual, the gun debate is dominated by the extremes on both sides.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

As usual, the gun debate is dominated by the extremes on both sides.

we clearly can't fix people, but we might be able to do something about guns. Other countries managed, so why not the US?

 

[dann]

Taking people's guns away tends to make them a little less crazy.
The craziest gun owners are obviously the ones who are convinced that they can't live without them.
'From my cold, dead hands'.
So be it.

 

[dudalb]

(REsponding to Tyr13 in fast moving thread....) Same here. I have a couple of guns, both rimfire 22's, one a semi-auto pistol, which I'd be sorry to see go. It's been a few years since I fired either of them, but I have in the distant past had to shoot a couple of varmints, and would hate to have to call the cops who never come, if a rabid something turns up, or a critter needs to be put out of its misery. Obviously neither of these guns is contributing to the crime wave, nor will they ever, but I'd not be sorry if Vermont demanded that I register them, though that's highly unlikely.

I don't expect ever to use one in self defense, and with the exception of a couple of tire-chewing porcupines, a rabid fox and a distempered raccoon, I've never shot anything living (the garden-gobbling groundhog got away!).

But they are nice pieces of precision machinery, and I must confess I have a certain liking for them in the abstract.

And when it comes down to it, if there were an actual, doable ban on guns, I'd be unhappy to give them up, especially if I knew someone would melt down that 1946 Hi-standard, but I would. But I'm no more likely to have to do that than to have to shoot the pigs as they fly by.

My mom bought the Hi-Standard semi-auto pistol before I was born. When I was little she would occasionally go out in the back yard and do some target practice. I recall one time she used a magazine cover picture of Joe McCarthy.

I have around ten guns, but almost all of them are replicas of 19th century blackpowder firearms, most of them muzzle loading.
Most modern weapon I won is a replica MI Garand.
I also am half owner of a 12 pound muzzle loading Civil War era Napoleon cannon.
And I fvaor strict controls on all semi automatic weapons. The must be registered, extensive background checks before being allowed to purchase, etc.\

 

[dudalb]

we clearly can't fix people, but we might be able to do something about guns. Other countries managed, so why not the US?

Define something. If you are talking about pretty much a total ban on private ownership of guns, you ain't never going to see that. Beter aim for somthing that is politically doable.Politics is the art of the possible.

 

[alfaniner]

I have around ten guns, but almost all of them are replicas of 19th century blackpowder firearms, most of them muzzle loading.
Most modern weapon I won is a replica MI Garand.
I also am half owner of a 12 pound muzzle loading Civil War era Napoleon cannon.
And I fvaor strict controls on all semi automatic weapons. The must be registered, extensive background checks before being allowed to purchase, etc.\

If you care for your weapons and how to use them as well as you do your posts, I am a little concerned.

 

[dudalb]

It is going to interesitn exactly what kind of a defense the guy is going to put up.

 

[EaglePuncher]

nvm

 

[angrysoba]

If you care for your weapons and how to use them as well as you do your posts, I am a little concerned.

I was about to post "shots fired!" but that would be a little in poor taste in this thread.

So, I will do the decent thing and suppress it.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Define something. If you are talking about pretty much a total ban on private ownership of guns, you ain't never going to see that. Beter aim for somthing that is politically doable.Politics is the art of the possible.

This is exactly the trap that progressives have fallen into for decades now: instead of agreeing that we have a problem that needs fixing, and then researching what action would help mitigate the problem, people who want no change at all demand a ready-made solution that is also politically expedient.

But that is just demonstrably false: we first agree, as a society, that we do want progress on an issue, and then elect/task people with fixing it.

So my question would be: do you think that the proliferation of guns in the US causes problems that need solving, and that would be alleviated if we had better control over who has what kind of gun?

 

[Darat]

This is exactly the trap that progressives have fallen into for decades now: instead of agreeing that we have a problem that needs fixing, and then researching what action would help mitigate the problem, people who want no change at all demand a ready-made solution that is also politically expedient.

But that is just demonstrably false: we first agree, as a society, that we do want progress on an issue, and then elect/task people with fixing it.

So my question would be: do you think that the proliferation of guns in the US causes problems that need solving, and that would be alleviated if we had better control over who has what kind of gun?

And also want "the perfect solution", and as ever perfect is the enemy of good.

 

[HansMustermann]

Question: Did California try to limit sale of CENTER FIRE semiautomatic weapons, or did they include rimfires? Big goddamn difference.

Not sure why that would make a huge difference. I mean there are ways to limit it to .22 long rifle or such, but just whether it's rimfire or centerfire? Quite mainstream rimfire calibers include the 7.62x54mm Rimmed used by the semi-automatic Dragunov sniper rifle or variants like the Zastava M91 (and soviet belt-fed machine-guns), actually more powerful than the 7.62×51mm NATO. (And if you need THAT to fend off varmint, yeah, you probably got isekaid to a fantasy world with bear sized rats) And technically can go all the way up to the old 1" Gatling round, but I doubt that anyone would use those.

But in any case, if any law just said "rimfire is ok", then someone would just start making rimfire guns and cartridges in any caliber they wish. Want a rimfire .50? Someone can design one pretty quickly. Or any other caliber, really. It only needs a change in where the firing mechanism hits it, otherwise you can just take the existing design for both gun and ammo, and have it in production in a month.

At least that's what I'd do, if any state actually had a law that said you can buy rimfire weapons at 18 years old, but centerfire at 21. Well, then here's my new lineup of every caliber from 9mm to .357 to .44 to .45-70 to .50 AE to shotgun, changed to rimfire.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Not sure why that would make a huge difference. I mean there are ways to limit it to .22 long rifle or such, but just whether it's rimfire or centerfire? Quite mainstream rimfire calibers include the 7.62x54mm Rimmed used by the semi-automatic Dragunov sniper rifle or variants like the Zastava M91 (and soviet belt-fed machine-guns), actually more powerful than the 7.62×51mm NATO. (And if you need THAT to fend off varmint, yeah, you probably got isekaid to a fantasy world with bear sized rats) And technically can go all the way up to the old 1" Gatling round, but I doubt that anyone would use those.

7.62×54mmR is centre fire, not rimfire.
It is a rimmed cartridge case derived from .303 British.