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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

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Back on topic, cancel culture isn't really a problem for the rich and powerful, its the folks that aren't and that you haven't heard that get screwed by it. Folks like the security guard that got fired for being a racist for telling a Black student at smith college she wasn't allowed in a cafeteria where students weren't allowed. #blanking while working class
 
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ahhell said:
Lots clearly did. Not having been born last week, I remember when some of those scientists were saying it was racist to even suspect the lab leak hypothesis.
Totally the same thing.

Its pretty clear, if Trump hadn't been saying Wuhan Flu, almost nobody would think it was racist. Personally, I think its fine but how about we call it the ChiCom flu or CCCP fever. The Chinese government is responsible for hundreds of thousand if not millions of deaths. Even if it didn't leak from the lab, they've spent a good part of the last two years obfuscating the origins of the disease. Oh wait, that was probably Trump.
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Unless the uptick in violence against Asians in the US at the time was coincidental or attributed to another cause, I think it’s hard to deny it the language used to describe the disease and the method it was being used was racist on some level. Therefore to me there was prudence in changing the language.
 
dirtywick said:
Unless the uptick in violence against Asians in the US at the time was coincidental or attributed to another cause, I think it’s hard to deny it the language used to describe the disease and the method it was being used was racist on some level. Therefore to me there was prudence in changing the language.
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I've never actually seen evidence that there was such an uptick unrelated to the general uptick in crime at the same time.

Edit to add, there's basically no way to prove. Anti Asian hate crimes went from almost zero to some.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...s-increased-nearly-150-2020-mostly-n-n1260264
 
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lionking said:
Well I’m certain that people here would be interested why you are laughing out loud…..or maybe not.

Do you mind explaining.
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Seriously? An abuser of women who essentially received a slap on the hand over it through being "cancelled" is complaining about being cancelled while receiving a lifetime achievement award.

Sure, that's cancelled... :rolleyes:

I used to be a big fan of his since his early Burton days, but Depp can go to hell.
 
ahhell said:
I've never actually seen evidence that there was such an uptick unrelated to the general uptick in crime at the same time.

Edit to add, there's basically no way to prove. Anti Asian hate crimes went from almost zero to some.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...s-increased-nearly-150-2020-mostly-n-n1260264
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They called it an uptick in the article and the number of Asian hate crimes did increase while the general hate crime rates actually fell. The article doesn’t really dispute that in any way, but it does somewhat dispute the link to Trump. Like I said, not sure if it’s Trumps rhetoric or not as a factor. If it was, I think changing the terminology is prudent.

But what I don’t want to do is pretend Trump was doing it for for academic freedom in a syllabus or to be technically accurate or some other ridiculous reason. We all know exactly what he was doing and if you’d believe that I don’t really have much to add besides I don’t really want a part of that discussion since there’s no reasonable discussion to be had.
 
dirtywick said:
They called it an uptick in the article and the number of Asian hate crimes did increase while the general hate crime rates actually fell. The article doesn’t really dispute that in any way, but it does somewhat dispute the link to Trump. Like I said, not sure if it’s Trumps rhetoric or not as a factor. If it was, I think changing the terminology is prudent.

But what I don’t want to do is pretend Trump was doing it for for academic freedom in a syllabus or to be technically accurate or some other ridiculous reason. We all know exactly what he was doing and if you’d believe that I don’t really have much to add besides I don’t really want a part of that discussion since there’s no reasonable discussion to be had.
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Sure, he was attacking the ChiComs. So, there is no demonstrated link between trumps rhetoric and the tiny increase in the tiny number of reported hate crimes against Asian, but we should assume there is anyway. Was there anyone claiming that trump did it to defend academic freedom? You're right, there's no reason to keep talking about it.
 
phiwum said:
Um, from almost zero to some is an uptick, right? So how is there no way to prove [what?]?
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To show a connection between said uptick and Trumps rhetoric. Its one of the most over hyped stories in the last decade. If anything it demonstrates how accepting of Asians the US is. There's probably more anti asian hate crimes in any random Asian country than in the US every year.

Total number of hate crimes against Asians, about the same as the total number decrease in hate crimes against Jews, about a 1% change.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/31/1032932257/hate-crimes-reach-the-highest-level-in-more-than-a-decade

Literally more hate crimes against white people last year than against Asians. Should I blame that on Don Lemon's rhetoric? Black Lives Matter?
 
Boudicca90 said:
Seriously? An abuser of women who essentially received a slap on the hand over it through being "cancelled" is complaining about being cancelled while receiving a lifetime achievement award.



Sure, that's cancelled... :rolleyes:



I used to be a big fan of his since his early Burton days, but Depp can go to hell.
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"An abuser of women."

One woman claims so.

His former partners defend him. Police dispute Amber's descriptions of the broken glass in the kitchen, recall entirely different statements made by her in their presence, etc. The phone call is clear evidence of emotional manipulation/psychological abuse/gaslighting.

She has a couple of friends claiming they saw bruises, but that proves nothing.

My last partner ran her head into a doorframe on purpose after I literally fled the house when she started throwing things at me (complete with the wonderful "I wasn't actually trying to hit you" minimization/implied threat).

While I think his statements at the awards are eyeroll-worthy, you're literally doing what he's referring to!

One accuser who's claims are at odds with almost every scrap of evidence known to the public and you've decided he is not only guilty, but a repeat offender.
 
ahhell said:
Back on topic, cancel culture isn't really a problem for the rich and powerful, its the folks that aren't and that you haven't heard that get screwed by it. Folks like the security guard that got fired for being a racist for telling a Black student at smith college she wasn't allowed in a cafeteria where students weren't allowed. #blanking while working class
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Hey, if the gaggle of right wing hacks constantly crying about cancel culture find a way into backing into ending at-will employment (or even pro-union advocacy), I won't complain.

Of course, they love the idea of being able to get people fired for saying unpopular things, they just prefer that their own moral codes be enforced as opposed to others.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
"An abuser of women."

One woman claims so.

His former partners defend him. Police dispute Amber's descriptions of the broken glass in the kitchen, recall entirely different statements made by her in their presence, etc. The phone call is clear evidence of emotional manipulation/psychological abuse/gaslighting.

She has a couple of friends claiming they saw bruises, but that proves nothing.

My last partner ran her head into a doorframe on purpose after I literally fled the house when she started throwing things at me (complete with the wonderful "I wasn't actually trying to hit you" minimization/implied threat).

While I think his statements at the awards are eyeroll-worthy, you're literally doing what he's referring to!

One accuser who's claims are at odds with almost every scrap of evidence known to the public and you've decided he is not only guilty, but a repeat offender.
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Did you forget the court case?
 
ahhell said:
Sure, he was attacking the ChiComs. So, there is no demonstrated link between trumps rhetoric and the tiny increase in the tiny number of reported hate crimes against Asian, but we should assume there is anyway. Was there anyone claiming that trump did it to defend academic freedom? You're right, there's no reason to keep talking about it.
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The link you provided discusses the possible link between Trump and the uptick in Asian hate crimes.
 
dirtywick said:
The link you provided discusses the possible link between Trump and the uptick in Asian hate crimes.
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And in no way demonstrated it. Its at best correlation. The correlation could also be, a virus from China caused both Trumps rhetoric and the uptick or it could all just be coincidental. Regardless the reported anti Asian hate crime in the US is so low as to be unable to prove anything other than there is very little anti-Asian hate crime in the US.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Hey, if the gaggle of right wing hacks constantly crying about cancel culture find a way into backing into ending at-will employment (or even pro-union advocacy), I won't complain.

Of course, they love the idea of being able to get people fired for saying unpopular things, they just prefer that their own moral codes be enforced as opposed to others.
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The biggest cancel culture scare monger I personally know is also the biggest advocate for at will employment. They literally can’t see the connection and breathe at the same time.
 
dirtywick said:
They called it an uptick in the article and the number of Asian hate crimes did increase while the general hate crime rates actually fell. The article doesn’t really dispute that in any way, but it does somewhat dispute the link to Trump. Like I said, not sure if it’s Trumps rhetoric or not as a factor. If it was, I think changing the terminology is prudent.

But what I don’t want to do is pretend Trump was doing it for for academic freedom in a syllabus or to be technically accurate or some other ridiculous reason. We all know exactly what he was doing and if you’d believe that I don’t really have much to add besides I don’t really want a part of that discussion since there’s no reasonable discussion to be had.
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Fine. I thought you were saying the uptick was doubtful and that confused me.

The absolute numbers were small for the few cities mentioned as I recall. I ain't got the statistical chops to know whether it was conceivably random. But I do think that the president's words matter especially when a portion of his supporters are so passionate. I think it's fair to say that Trump was reckless when he used racist terms (we all agree that "Kung Flu" was racist, right? ).

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phiwum said:
Fine. I thought you were saying the uptick was doubtful and that confused me.

The absolute numbers were small for the few cities mentioned as I recall. I ain't got the statistical chops to know whether it was conceivably random. But I do think that the president's words matter especially when a portion of his supporters are so passionate. I think it's fair to say that Trump was reckless when he used racist terms (we all agree that "Kung Flu" was racist, right? ).

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I agree that his language was irresponsible at best.
 
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