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Cancel culture IRL

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The Atheist said:
I find it astonishing you don't see the difference between freedom of speech and a job where your specific duty is not to lie, then lying.



Even when their job is to not do that. Nice work.



Ah, just playing Devil's Advocate.

Well done - the situation really needed one of those.



She did, they did, she got fired.

You appear to be dangerously close to doing what you're claiming you're not doing.
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You don’t seem to have a firm enough grasp on what I’m claiming to have an opinion on what I’m doing or not doing.
 
lionking said:
Can you confirm this? I haven’t found it reported anywhere.
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Getting ahead of myself - she hasn't been.

Should be.

dirtywick said:
You don’t seem to have a firm enough grasp on what I’m claiming to have an opinion on what I’m doing or not doing.
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Bollocks.

Let me refresh your memory on what you typed:

In other words, the critic should be cancelled?

I think a case could be made that a critic deserves the same freedom of speech an artist does in interpretation and perspective and attempting to silence criticism with termination of employment isn’t that dissimilar.

You're raising a false equivalence of someone who uses a literary character to fight racism with a critic that deliberately and flagrantly lied.
 
d4m10n said:
Whom are you quoting? Doesn't sound like something Sally Rooney would say.
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Here's the thing that really pisses me off about this.

Disclaimer: I have not read the book

AIUI, Sally Rooney created a character, and a pretty nasty one by all accounts, who made a racist remark about Asians in Italy. That character was then promptly taken task for his racism by the other characters with him. Jessica Tu has intentionally cherry picked the highlighted part and deliberately not mentioned the rest, in order to paint Rooney as a racist for having one of her characters say this.

Not only is this a clear, intentional breach of journalistic ethics, it is knowingly misleading her readers as to the nature of the book and the attitude of its author. When you write a fictional book about real life attitudes of people as regards some of the unpleasant aspects of human nature, is damned near impossible to so if you don't have characters who exhibit that behaviour. It would be like trying to write a fictional story about slavery in the US south, but not having characters who were plantation owners and slave traders. So when you decide that you need to have characters who are plantation owners and slave traders, some ******* moron reviewer like Jessie Tu calls you a racist because the plantation owners and slave traders you create say and do racist things!
 
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smartcooky said:
Tu has intentionally cherry picked the highlighted part and deliberately not mentioned the rest, in order to paint Rooney as a racist for having one of her characters say this.
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I don't think anyone should get cancelled here, but it strikes me as fairly poor form for a journo to impute racism where none can be shown to exist.
 
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d4m10n said:
I don't think anyone should get cancelled here, but it strikes me as fairly poor form for a journo to impute racism where none exists.
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I don't know what "canceled" really means, but I could sure see her losing her job. This wasn't a YouTube video of bad behavior far from work. This was her work product and, as others have said, it violated journalistic ethics.

A reviewer could complain that all the characters are lily white. I wouldn't necessarily think much of the complaint, depending on the novel's setting, but that would be a difference of opinion.

This claim of racism supported by a very misleading quote is something else.

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This thread works a lot better if you go back and replaced the scare word "canceled" with "have to socially face the consequences of their actions."
 
JoeMorgue said:
This thread works a lot better if you go back and replaced the scare word "canceled" with "have to socially face the consequences of their actions."
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Not what the term means in the OP, but other than that you're spot on.
 
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d4m10n said:
I don't think anyone should get cancelled here, but it strikes me as fairly poor form for a journo to impute racism where none can be shown to exist.
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"Cancelling" is a BS term, used by those who object to people being made to face consequences for their onerous behaviour.

What should have happened is for Tu to be given the option of publicly and unconditionally apologising to both Rooney for impugning her character, and to the readers of her column for intentionally misleading them. Said apology to be in her regular column, using her regular column format, not buried at the bottom of page 53 in 2pt font.

If she refuses then resign forthwith, and if she does neither then she gets fired.
 
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Let's cancel a company for "cultural appropriation"!

They have trousers that look like you're showing your boxers, which is apparently racist if you're not black.

I'll be showing my kid later, because he's not black and has done it since he was 11. (now 30)

The big point to me in all this is where the story came from - TikTok.

Srsly? Is this where we are in 2021 - that some clown records a TikTok, which an opportunist seizes on for publicity, and people take it as something real?

Holy crap, the Apocalypse can't come soon enough.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Another public freakout, another person named, shamed, and fired from their job.

https://www.newsweek.com/logan-dorn-man-confronted-bikini-clad-women-video-fired-job-colorado-1627392
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Wow, not that I agree with the anti-abortion crowd, but this is pretty extreme.

It's not like this was a racist statement. Gibson just stated his agreement with a major popular political opinion.

'You will agree with my political view, or you will be fired!'

"Proud of #USSupremeCourt affirming the Texas law banning abortion for babies with a heartbeat," Gibson wrote on Twitter. "As an entertainer I don’t get political often. Yet with so many vocal peers on the other side of this issue, I felt it was important to go on the record as a pro-life game developer."...

"The comments given by John Gibson are of his own opinion, and do not reflect those of Tripwire Interactive as a company," the statement read. "His comments disregarded the values of our whole team, our partners and much of our broader community. Our leadership team at Tripwire are deeply sorry and are unified in our commitment to take swift action and to foster a more positive environment."

Gibson's comments sparked backlash from the gaming community, with some gaming developers announcing they would no longer work with Tripwire due to Gibson's stance on the abortion law.
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HoverBoarder said:
Wow, not that I agree with the anti-abortion crowd, but this is pretty extreme.

It's not like this was a racist statement. Gibson just stated his agreement with a major popular political opinion.

'You will agree with my political view, or you will be fired!'
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Err WTF? ST's link had nothing to do with abortion or somene called Gibson. It was about a god botherer called Logan Dorn getting fired from his job for harassing young bikini-clad girls on a beach.
 
Cancel culture has reached the "Michael Tracey standing outside a small liberal arts college yelling into a hand-portable PA system" stage.

Cloaking himself in glory, it's nice to see he has mostly recovered from being beaten bloody by Maxine Waters.

Michael Tracey visits Connecticut College ostensibly to do journalism about their covid rules but decides to give a speech to the students while standing in front of a highway holding a briefcase with an antenna on it for some reason
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https://twitter.com/haramcart/status/1437580126313721858

This seems especially pathetic and desperate, even for a loser like Tracey.

ETA: Does he always look this disheveled? It looks like he just escaped a kidnapping by jumping out of a moving vehicle.
 
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d4m10n said:
This is encouraging:
https://twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1437498140932907013

It would be good to see more institutional pushback against viral shaming in situations like this.

ETA: Here is the original tweet.

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Even if she is right and the US is a "heteropatriarchal" society, her comment is ugly, wrong, and demeaning. How many women and people of color were killed on 911? Does she think the Taliban/Al Qaeda doesn't want an even more "heteropatriarchal" society???

I have no issue whatsoever if she's "canceled". So be it.
 
HoverBoarder said:
Wow, not that I agree with the anti-abortion crowd, but this is pretty extreme.

It's not like this was a racist statement. Gibson just stated his agreement with a major popular political opinion.

'You will agree with my political view, or you will be fired!'
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No. You will not make public statements that cost me, your employer, money. Or you will be fired.
 
Whether its ok to fire someone for expressing their political views outside of the work place really depends on their job doesn't? CEO, sure fire away, some cashier or janitor or what not, not so much.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Even if she is right and the US is a "heteropatriarchal" society, her comment is ugly, wrong, and demeaning.
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So what? Loads of scholarly ideas can be seen as ugly, wrong, and demeaning. A robust marketplace of ideas requires that they be allowed even when randos are offended on the internet.
 
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