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Man who played with white lions is mauled to death by white lions

I always hear this. It sounds like ********. What case is there of a chimp pulling somebody's arm out of the socket? I mean chimps are stronger than humans pound for pound, but compare a healthy 190 lb human male and an average chimp less than half the size it's a lot closer. Range of motion is also quite different in humans and chimps.

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Chimps can do a LOT of damage, if my memory serves me well, up to and including killing adult humans in a variety of fun ways.

I don't think that they belong in quite the same category of potential lethal danger as lions or tigers (or socialised elephants, for that matter....), but for sure they can put you either in intensive care or in a funny-shaped box if they put their minds to it.
 
Chimps can do a LOT of damage, if my memory serves me well, up to and including killing adult humans in a variety of fun ways.



I don't think that they belong in quite the same category of potential lethal danger as lions or tigers (or socialised elephants, for that matter....), but for sure they can put you either in intensive care or in a funny-shaped box if they put their minds to it.
That lady who got her face ripped off was small, weak and wasn't expecting the attack at all. It's a good case to remind people to keep their guard up around wild animals, but a poor example of the relative strength of a chimp to a human.



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That lady who got her face ripped off was small, weak and wasn't expecting the attack at all. It's a good case to remind people to keep their guard up around wild animals, but a poor example of the relative strength of a chimp to a human.


https://www.ippl.org/gibbon/blog/a-tragedy-in-eden/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf8CPrDGQac

https://www.foxnews.com/science/chimps-killing-people-in-uganda

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a5609/chimpanzee-attack-0409/

From that first link: "An adult male chimp is five times as strong as a human"


Care to reconsider.......?
 
That lady who got her face ripped off was small, weak and wasn't expecting the attack at all. It's a good case to remind people to keep their guard up around wild animals, but a poor example of the relative strength of a chimp to a human.



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Chimps' muscles are stronger than humans. I think the latest research found they are about 1.5 times stronger gram for gram. They have a very different mix of muscle fibers than humans. You also have to remember a chimp will not "hold back" when attacking.
 


No because that little factoid is based on obsolete studies, most notably this one.

John Hawks, anthropologist at University of Wisconsin-Madison:
John Hawks said:
The suspicious claim seems to have originated in a flapper-era study conducted by a biologist named John Bauman. Poe’s story of the scalp-pulling orangutan struck Bauman as being “grotesquely impossible.” In 1923, he noted that every expert in the field believed apes were vastly stronger than humans—yet none had ever tried to prove it. So he packed up a device used to measure pull strength, called a dynamometer, and set out for the Bronx Zoo.....It appeared that chimpanzees really could be more than five times stronger than humans.

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...But the “five times” figure was refuted 20 years after Bauman’s experiments. In 1943, Glen Finch of the Yale primate laboratory rigged an apparatus to test the arm strength of eight captive chimpanzees. An adult male chimp, he found, pulled about the same weight as an adult man. Once he’d corrected the measurement for their smaller body sizes, chimpanzees did turn out to be stronger than humans—but not by a factor of five or anything close to it.
 
Which raises the question, is it safe for chimps to play with white lions?
 
Chimps' muscles are stronger than humans. I think the latest research found they are about 1.5 times stronger gram for gram. They have a very different mix of muscle fibers than humans. You also have to remember a chimp will not "hold back" when attacking.

Yeah 1.5 times is about what I've heard.
 
Dog muscles are too. And I lately learned that other animals have 2-3 more elastin genes. I wonder if that is the root of the strength.
 
Dog muscles are too. And I lately learned that other animals have 2-3 more elastin genes. I wonder if that is the root of the strength.

I weigh about 6 times what my 40 lb dog weighs. On the odd occasion that he tries to strain on his leash to get closer to a really interesting smell it takes considerable effort to hold him in place. My 100 lb daughter has much difficulty controlling him on a leash if he decides to pull. I think his strength and ability to pull is roughly equivalent to hers.
 
No because that little factoid is based on obsolete studies, most notably this one.

John Hawks, anthropologist at University of Wisconsin-Madison:


Were the adults in my several links who were killed and seriously injured by the chimps "based on obselete studies" too....?

As I said: care to reconsider?
 
Were the adults in my several links who were killed and seriously injured by the chimps "based on obselete studies" too....?

As I said: care to reconsider?

"Chimps are dangerous and can seriously injure humans" was never in dispute.

The 5-times stronger figure and ripping people limb from limb stuff are misleading or outdated claims that even renowned naturalists parrot.
 
"Chimps are dangerous and can seriously injure humans" was never in dispute.

The 5-times stronger figure and ripping people limb from limb stuff are misleading or outdated claims that even renowned naturalists parrot.

I wouldn't be surprised with a combination of biting and pulling they could remove an arm. Videos of chimpanzees hunting show they do pull off the limbs of the primates they hunt, which shows it is within their usual killing behaviour.
 
I wouldn't be surprised with a combination of biting and pulling they could remove an arm. Videos of chimpanzees hunting show they do pull off the limbs of the primates they hunt, which shows it is within their usual killing behaviour.


I would say that the repeated argument on this matter, in the face of pretty clear evidence to the contrary, is reminiscent of a dog with a bone.... but maybe "a chimpanzee with a severed arm" would be more apposite here :)
 
I wouldn't be surprised with a combination of biting and pulling they could remove an arm. Videos of chimpanzees hunting show they do pull off the limbs of the primates they hunt, which shows it is within their usual killing behaviour.

I mean yes this happens, especially on small monkeys the size of toddlers. Their bite force is far superior to that of humans. But the popular belief is that this is entirely due to their immense strength and they can do the same to adult humans, which isn't accurate. And group hunting helps with that.

Even adult male chimps are too small and uncoordinated to completely manhandle a strong adult man solo.
 
It'd probably end up as Mutually Assured Destruction, with the aftermath looking like a Sam Peckinpah film......
I got sucked onto YouTube due to one of the links above, which means wild animals mauling people is going to start coming up on my recommendations.

Most incidents seem connected to humans being severely out of touch with the nature of carnivorous wild animals. I hesitate to attribute "malice" to any animal, but the chimps seem to come pretty close.

ETA: Meanwhile my forearms are dotted with tiny scabs associated with a rather bitey dachshund puppy. She has learned not to bite too hard, but seems to enjoy tearing scabs off ...
 
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"Chimps are dangerous and can seriously injure humans" was never in dispute.

The 5-times stronger figure and ripping people limb from limb stuff are misleading or outdated claims that even renowned naturalists parrot.

What are they comparing it to? The average gym rat is probably close to twice as strong by most measures as the average human at the same body weight.
 
Two pages in and nobody's mentioned the band White Lion! Tell me the 80s actually happened, and it wasn't just a wonderful dream I had!!!!
 

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