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Trump Sues Bolton over Book Release

CORed said:
I can't imagine what kind of legal argument he could use for suppressing that book. The most he could do would be to sue for libel, but, as a public figure, he would have to prove malice.
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Stubby Mcbonespurs would also probably have to prove that Bolton was lying... Given trump tends to lie so much himself, and doesn't like to keep records, that might be a bit difficult.


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Beelzebuddy said:
Conservative media went all-in on tribalism years ago. Anyone not for them is against them, anyone they hate the other side must secretly love and vice versa. Bolton's on the outs with bunker boy and is being vilified by the right, therefore he's now the darling of the left, so look how hypocritical these liberals are to embrace a man they once hated just because his testimony might damage Trump!
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We saw the same thing here with the Meuller investigation. It's apparently impossible to like something that someone did at one point in time and not like something that they did at another point in time. You have to either like everything someone does forever or hate everything they do forever. If we supported the investigation, then we must have supported his Iraq stance; if we opposed his actions with Iraq, then we must oppose the investigation.
 
Meadmaker said:
I don't mean overall good guy, just temporary. It's sort of "the enemy of my enemy" relationship.
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It's less "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and more "We granted the Mob Enforcer immunity from prosecution so he would testify against the Mob Boss."

In a perfectly just world, both Bolton and Trump would take a hard and fast fall. In this less-than-perfect world, if we have to choose, the preference is that Trump takes the fall.
 
Bolton is a neocon. Trump is just a conman. A pox on both their houses.

I will say one thing positive about Trump: He has, for whatever reason, resisted the urge to go to war against North Korea and Iran, as I'm sure Bolton was urging him to do.
 
Trebuchet said:
I will say one thing positive about Trump: He has, for whatever reason, resisted the urge to go to war against North Korea and Iran, as I'm sure Bolton was urging him to do.
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yet it didn't stop trump from:
- Backing out of the Nuclear control deal with Iran
- Killing an Iranian military leader
- Regularly threatening Iran

Yes, Trump hasn't ordered a military attack on Iran, but he's certainly set the stage for one.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Doublethink.

Conservative media went all-in on tribalism years ago. Anyone not for them is against them, anyone they hate the other side must secretly love and vice versa. Bolton's on the outs with bunker boy and is being vilified by the right, therefore he's now the darling of the left, so look how hypocritical these liberals are to embrace a man they once hated just because his testimony might damage Trump!
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ROFL Bolton is hardly a darling of the left. I am interested to see what he has to say about Cheeto Benito.
 
acbytesla said:
ROFL Bolton is hardly a darling of the left. I am interested to see what he has to say about Cheeto Benito.
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The book is clearly Bolton's bid for the GOP nomination for 2024: all these books are.
So I assume Bolton will laser-focus his criticism against Trump and his family, but will spare Republicans and bash Democrats as much as possible.

Fox will call it a "complete exoneration", because there will be a Bolton quote about it all being the Dems' fault.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, it isn't. Bolton doesn't have the freedom of speech that you and I have. He voluntarily surrendered it in order to take the position in government that he did and gain access to the classified information that he worked with. He cannot freely write about that classified material. This is a long established legal principle. It isn't an outrage. Rather, Bolton was an idiot to think he could just ignore the review requirements that everyone else in his position has to abide by.



Perhaps, but Bolton doesn't have a legal leg to stand on here.
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It certainly doesn't look like he ignored the review requirements. It may be that he didn't dot every i and cross every t in a way that I would want my clients to do, but it seems like he worked with NSC to achieve the review requirements.

See:

Craig4 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/politics/trump-john-bolton-book.html

There's a little more to this than just a security review of the book. Bolton has been working with the former NSC to redact classified material from the book. They've just been yanking his chain.
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With that in mind, how shaky do his legs look? Is he sliding down a steep damp slippery ramp on a hot sunny day?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The book is clearly Bolton's bid for the GOP nomination for 2024: all these books are.
So I assume Bolton will laser-focus his criticism against Trump and his family, but will spare Republicans and bash Democrats as much as possible.

Fox will call it a "complete exoneration", because there will be a Bolton quote about it all being the Dems' fault.
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Bolton is bat **** crazy but not THAT bat **** crazy. He knows full well that he'll never be president. He wants to render justice on Trump for perceived as well as what I'm sure are real slights.
 
Bolton's real problem is that there better be something freaking EPIC in this book to get what precious little time and attention the public has left to give. BLM and the plague are kind of sucking a lot of the O2 from other stories just now.
 
Craig4 said:
Bolton is bat **** crazy but not THAT bat **** crazy. He knows full well that he'll never be president. He wants to render justice on Trump for perceived as well as what I'm sure are real slights.
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I think it's a bit different than that. I think Bolton is a "true patriot". I put that in quotes because what I mean by that is that I think Bolton sincerely believes that the his own (i.e. Bolton's) policies are the best for America. I think he took the job so that he could push that pro-American agenda. He thought Trump was someone who needed some guidance, and he (Bolton) was the right man for the job, and that he could push his agenda if he had the president's ear.

What he actually saw in Trump once he was up close was someone who talked about Make America Great Again, but when it came to actions, it was all about Trump. Trump wouldn't push Bolton's version of pro-American policies. He saw a childish and half sane person, and he believed that Trump was genuinely dangerous to America. I think he wrote the book to expose Trump and to try to convince people that Trump is dangerous and ought to be thrown out. (Well, he probably also wanted to make some money, but doesn't everyone?)

So, it isn't so much justice or revenge. It's doing what Bolton thinks is best for America.

Maybe that gives Bolton more credit than he deserves, but that's the way I see it.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The book is clearly Bolton's bid for the GOP nomination for 2024: all these books are.
So I assume Bolton will laser-focus his criticism against Trump and his family, but will spare Republicans and bash Democrats as much as possible.

Fox will call it a "complete exoneration", because there will be a Bolton quote about it all being the Dems' fault.
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Sorry. I think your analysis is off base. Bolton is hated by the left and now is persona non grata with Republicans outside of the neocons. He is 71 years old and would be 76 years old at the start of 2025 He's never run for public office.
 
500 clams for a bootleg copy? Ooooaw! How I'd love to purchase one or two friends in that warehouse!

Just one pallet. Just one.

After suborning a few hundred reporters, I could finish with a good shower. I think I'd need one.
 
Meadmaker said:
By suing, I think all he will accomplish is drawing a bit more attention to it. All the damage that could be done by it will be done anyway, and the juicy parts will all leak despite Trump's efforts.
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Yep. Outside the US this is sometime referred to as "The Spycatcher Effect" (in the US, I think they call it "The Streisand Effect" for similar reasons).

Trump hasn't learned the lesson from former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, that is better to shut up and not bring attention to things you don't want people to notice, than take umbrage and make a big issue of it.

Spycatcher, Peter Wright's long and boring tome about the British Intelligence services would probably had gone mostly unnoticed had it not been for Thatcher bringing a lot of attention to it by trying to stop publication and have it banned. As a result, it sold a couple of million copies, and Wright died a millionaire.


Meadmaker said:
Here is where I wish ISF hadn't turned into such an extreme echo chamber.
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Rubbish. The "I" in this forum's name stands for "International". While those for and against Trump in the US might be a 60-40 affair, the same cannot be said of the rest of the world where the vast majority of us know what a complete idiot he is; where the for v against is more like 90-10.

IMO, this forum is far from an echo chamber, and its discussion fairly represents the views of its participants.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The book is clearly Bolton's bid for the GOP nomination for 2024: all these books are.
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I think that his ambition was to become something like the Henry Kissinger of this century, the guy behind the president telling him how to fight the wars against the perceived enemies of the USA that he hoped to be able to persuade Trump to wage.
I guess the point of the book is to express his disappointment that he never succeed in persuading Trump to declare any of the wars he dreamed of.
 
dann said:
I think that his ambition was to become something like the Henry Kissinger of this century, the guy behind the president telling him how to fight the wars against the perceived enemies of the USA that he hoped to be able to persuade Trump to wage.
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I guess Trump's cowardice actually worked in our (world's) favor.

Oh, and I guess Putin said "nope".
 
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