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Trump Sues Bolton over Book Release

Segnosaur said:
To be honest I don't think Bolton really cares if trump is destroyed or not. I think he just wants to make money.

If he really wanted to "destroy" trump he would have spoken sooner (like during impeachment). He had the opportunity (like during the house inquiries) but chose not to.


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The Mustache has ambitions for the White House.
His plan is to distance himself from the sinking ship that is Trump and associates.
 
Craig4 said:
I've already pre-ordered it on Audible. Audible, an Amazon company seems perfectly willing to sell it to me.

I did some soul searching as I was conflicted about giving that son of a bitch my money. In the end though I hate the other son of a bitch more. Bolton is trying to destroy Trump and that's always a laudable goal even if he's a DB in all other respects.
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It is kind of amusing to see the shifting discussions on Bolton. He was the darling of the right wing because he was an uber-hawk. When he started working for Trump, he was hailed as the needed savior that would really make Anerica great again. Then, he got fired, and they were depressed. Then there were hints that he might turn on Trump, and during the impeachment trial, Democrats were clamoring to hear him. Now, he's the good guy for the left, but the right has probably disowned him.

Back when I drove a car, in March, I would listen to right wing talk radio. There really is a difference between hosts. I am sure that Hannity, Limbaugh, and the severely crazy ones whose names I have trouble remembering are turning on him and pretending they never thought much of him, but I really wonder what Hugh Hewitt is saying about him.
 
I don't know anyone one the "not right" who thinks Bolton is a good guy.
But he is another example of how out of touch with traditional Republican policies Trump is.
Democrats hope to split the GOP into a Trump wing and a Republican wing, and hope that the latter won't bother to vote in November.
 
Meadmaker said:
Here is where I wish ISF hadn't turned into such an extreme echo chamber. I really would wonder what people who are favorably disposed toward Trump have to say about this. Anyway, it could be fun, so I thought it deserved its own thread to follow new details as they develop.
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You can head to Quora for that. There are actual Trump supporters there whose clarity and candor will at the very least answer the question why a skeptics forum turned into an anti-trumpian echo chamber.

https://www.quora.com/unanswered/Wh...t-is-Trump-so-desperately?q=trump sues bolton

Registration is required, but it's free to use.

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Meadmaker said:
Here is a news story about it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/politics/john-bolton-book-trump-administration-lawsuit/index.html

Basically, Trump says that Bolton's book hasn't been approved by the classification police. The book is reported to be a scathing indictment of the president. The lawsuit is a rather transparent ploy to delay release of the book until after the election.

I didn't think he would do it. It's just so transparent what he's up to, and it's such an extreme violation of freedom of the press.
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No, it isn't. Bolton doesn't have the freedom of speech that you and I have. He voluntarily surrendered it in order to take the position in government that he did and gain access to the classified information that he worked with. He cannot freely write about that classified material. This is a long established legal principle. It isn't an outrage. Rather, Bolton was an idiot to think he could just ignore the review requirements that everyone else in his position has to abide by.

By suing, I think all he will accomplish is drawing a bit more attention to it. All the damage that could be done by it will be done anyway, and the juicy parts will all leak despite Trump's efforts.
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Perhaps, but Bolton doesn't have a legal leg to stand on here.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, it isn't. Bolton doesn't have the freedom of speech that you and I have. He voluntarily surrendered it in order to take the position in government that he did and gain access to the classified information that he worked with. He cannot freely write about that classified material. This is a long established legal principle. It isn't an outrage. Rather, Bolton was an idiot to think he could just ignore the review requirements that everyone else in his position has to abide by.



Perhaps, but Bolton doesn't have a legal leg to stand on here.
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I suppose that depends on what's in the book.

My belief at this point is that there is actually no classified information in the book, and that Bolton has in fact already gone through the review process. After it is released, I suppose we'll get some more in depth analysis from people who are better informed.

It is absolutely true that Bolton has no right to publish classified data. It is also absolutely true that the president has no right to declare something classified merely to prevent its publication. Stay tuned. One way or another, every line of that book is going to be made public. Let's hope that there's no information in it whose revelation will damage American security. My hunch is that there isn't anything like that. I think there might be something that further damages the reputation of the president, but that's a completely different thing.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that there are no real bombshells at all in the book. The hullabaloo will be all about "John Bolton says nasty things about Donald Trump", not actually about a new revelation. We'll find out soon enough.
 
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Meadmaker said:
It is kind of amusing to see the shifting discussions on Bolton. He was the darling of the right wing because he was an uber-hawk. When he started working for Trump, he was hailed as the needed savior that would really make Anerica great again. Then, he got fired, and they were depressed. Then there were hints that he might turn on Trump, and during the impeachment trial, Democrats were clamoring to hear him. Now, he's the good guy for the left, but the right has probably disowned him.



Back when I drove a car, in March, I would listen to right wing talk radio. There really is a difference between hosts. I am sure that Hannity, Limbaugh, and the severely crazy ones whose names I have trouble remembering are turning on him and pretending they never thought much of him, but I really wonder what Hugh Hewitt is saying about him.
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I don't think he's a good guy. I think he tried to start a shooting war with Iran but Trump called it off. If he stabs Trump in the back, all well and good.
 
I never thought Bolton was a 'good guy'; he's a war mongering ass. I was just hoping he had the guts to testify against Trump during the impeachment hearings. No such luck.
 
Bolton and his publisher must be loving all the free publicity.
 
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Upchurch said:
I’m baffled how you make this statement in context of the post you quoted.
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Doublethink.

Conservative media went all-in on tribalism years ago. Anyone not for them is against them, anyone they hate the other side must secretly love and vice versa. Bolton's on the outs with bunker boy and is being vilified by the right, therefore he's now the darling of the left, so look how hypocritical these liberals are to embrace a man they once hated just because his testimony might damage Trump!
 
I'm not a lawyer, but that news story says "the Trump administration asked a federal judge on Tuesday to order former national security adviser John Bolton to stop the publication of his upcoming book". If it's already been printed, bound, and distributed to warehouses it seems to me that Bolton doesn't have control over the book any more. Those books belong to the publisher before they're sold, and to the retailers who already purchased copies to resell. I don't think an author retains legal control over the books at that point, do they? They only write the thing, they don't sell the copies out of their own car trunk from town to town.

A lawsuit against the publisher might stop sales, but the news stories I've read just talk about Bolton, not the publisher. He must have a contract, and has delivered his side of it. I think it's out of his hands, unless publishing contracts contain an "author recall" clause or something.
 
I read that Bolton eventually received a reply from the NSC that they had no more edits to make to his manuscript. He didn't receive the official release but it seems he and his lawyers have enough communication to show they made a good faith effort to clear the book of classified information. I doubt they are in serous trouble when the book is published.
 
a_unique_person said:
I don't think he's a good guy. I think he tried to start a shooting war with Iran but Trump called it off. If he stabs Trump in the back, all well and good.
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I don't mean overall good guy, just temporary. It's sort of "the enemy of my enemy" relationship.
 
Monza said:
I read that Bolton eventually received a reply from the NSC that they had no more edits to make to his manuscript. He didn't receive the official release but it seems he and his lawyers have enough communication to show they made a good faith effort to clear the book of classified information. I doubt they are in serous trouble when the book is published.
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This is what I was thinking.

The publication date was pushed back a few times so the NSC and other organizations could vet the information, right?
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Doublethink.

Conservative media went all-in on tribalism years ago. Anyone not for them is against them, anyone they hate the other side must secretly love and vice versa. Bolton's on the outs with bunker boy and is being vilified by the right, therefore he's now the darling of the left, so look how hypocritical these liberals are to embrace a man they once hated just because his testimony might damage Trump!
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I don't embrace the man, I embrace whatever damage he can do to Trump.
 
newyorkguy said:
There are no trump supporters in this forum -- or pretty much any forum -- who are going to make a thoughtful, honest reply. After four years of this nonsense I think that's pretty clear. I think most ISF members already know pretty much how the trump supporters are going to reply.

I'm more interested in this book, "Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man," by one of trump's nieces, Mary L. Trump. Mary Trump holds a PhD from Adelphi University and taught graduate courses in trauma, psychopathology, and developmental psychology.
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I can't imagine what kind of legal argument he could use for suppressing that book. The most he could do would be to sue for libel, but, as a public figure, he would have to prove malice. He may be hoping that the threat of a lawsuit can keep the publisher from publishing it, but I doubt that will work.
 
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