The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

[tazanastazio]

No clue. You'd probably get a good answer if you asked a biologist who specialized in the evolution of eggs and private parts, or read a book that explained this. Why haven't you?

Dawkins explained this wonderfully once, but I don't know if the video is on YouTube anymore. But again, if you really want to know and you aren't asking this as a rhetorical question, why don't you go find out?

ETA: not the exact video I was thinking about, but it should do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X1iwLqM2t0

Probably just a byproduct of our brains growing as advanced as they are.

With pack animals, the group that has members with emotions like guilt survive and thrive better than the ones where it's every man for himself, and thus their individuals have a higher chance of spreading their genes.

Maroon a bunch of psychopaths or sociopaths on an island, and see how well they do after 20 years compared to normal people on another island.


[/B][/COLOR]We don't have a need to prove God doesn't exist. The burden of proof is on believers to prove he does. Like with the FMS or the dragon in my garage.

It doesn't matter for the Infinite how we organize our society; yet consciousness helps us function better in it and in life in general. The Infinite has no need or use of our faith to it, our glorification of it and of us worshipping it. As for anything concerning "God", it depends on our understanding of the term; it depends on what we think of what God is, or isn't.

 

[tazanastazio]

No. If it were "infinite" as you claim in your hilarious "infinity of infinities religion" there would be an infinite number of new particles being created at any point in time in one location. But there isn't, is there?

Explain this error in your claim using a scientific theory so we may check your work.

I see Matthew that you can now see from an Infinite perspective (you can actually discern and count infinite fluctuations!). I guess it all depends on your definition and understanding of the term and idea of the "Infinite." What is the Infinite, what isn't it?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I see Matthew that you can now see from an Infinite perspective.....

Nope. I know what the word means. You don't. If there were a infinite number of particles being created by quantum fluctuation in any one location, at any one point in time the universe would not exist in any coherent manner.

In reality we know that we can determine quantum radioactive decay, half life, through statistics, although not allowing science to predict for any individual particle's decay, and it isn't infinite is it?

That destroys your silly "infinity of infinities religion" claim yet again.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

As for anything concerning "God", it depends on our understanding of the term; it depends on what we think of what God is, or isn't.

You are posting on a skeptic forum. "God" is a magical creature from historical literary fiction. You cannot apply "God" to real world situations. You may as well ask what razor blade brand does Superman use if Superman is indestructible......it doesn't make any sense because Superman is not real.

This is why all your posts are incoherent and do not make any sense.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Which sex among species evolved first?

Did you read a basic science book concerning sexual reproduction yet? (Probably not).

Have you worked out that both sexes have to evolve simultaneously otherwise a DNA gamete, which only contains half the DNA information, would not be able to form a zygote (embryo), with another gamete, at fertilisation.

That's why you look like both your mother and father. You did know that?

How did the species produce prior to evolving reproductive organs?

Prokaryotes (a type of bacteria) evolved sexual reproduction about two billion years ago and did not have specialised reproductive organs.

(That's why modern human males don't boast they are "hung like a prokaryote")

 

[tazanastazio]

There is no absolute void.

Computer simulation of Quantum Fluctuations:

https://youtu.be/WZgZI5vymiM]

From the Quantum Fluctuations of the Infinite Microcosm to the infinite Multi-Universes of the Infinite Macrocosm; the Quantum Fluctuations start the formation of the Universes and to the Quantum Fluctuations the Universes de-form.

This is the Infinite.

Once again y' all, and some extras:

1) How can you get a singularity out of a non-dimentional, absolute nothingness!

2) If the universe has boundaries how could it be in the middle of a non-dimentional, absolute nothingness!

3) For 93 billion years, light is traveling in all direction, sure some is absorbed by matter in the universe and trapped into black holes; yet light is still generated for 93 billion years from 70 billion trillion stars. So would it illuminate the universe at some point, get backed up due to the time it takes for it to be trapped into the black holes; if that is, there was no way for it to escape, since beyond the boundaries of the Universe there is a non-dimentional, absolute nothingness!

4) If there is a dimensional void beyond the boundaries of the Universe, could the Universe be seen and from how far away? Would energy be needed to be added to the energy of light to keep light traveling, and for how far/long would light travel? Could it be that quantum fluctuations generate particles of energy absorbed by light, causing it to have its wavy form? Could it be that quantum fluctuations generate particle amounts of energy absorbed by light? Could we harness that energy to traverse the vast distances within our galaxy? Could it be that quantum flactuations form an invisible structure that generates the helix form and movement of galaxies, and the helical movement of planets around the galaxies?

5) Is there a soul; or all there is, is our collective memories; images along with substances in our brain which we understand as feelings, and the effect of them to our heart through the stimulation of our nerves, transferring the outcome to our heart? Is the idea of "soul" simply a product of our imagination, sprang from our need to hope and wish for an afterlife, due to brining to mind a being's last ever exhalation, and nothing more!

6) Could our memories be transferred to our clones, allowing "us" to "live" beyond death!

7) Could there be beings or organizations of beings, not infinite of course, yet of exceedingly higher scientific ability and capacity over nature, than humans; super-alien beings, or organizations of such beings?

8) Would such super beings care about us humans, ants in comparison; about what we do or how we organize our society? Would they need for us to glorify and worship them? Would they use us for their entertainment as pawns in a chess game, a result of a bet, sport in competition? Wouldn't they have more important issues to occupy their super existence, other than dealing with insects, like children, on a daily basis! Would they need to "cultivate" us, and for what purpose; or the monster under the bed or in the closet, is a product of human imagination; created and fueled for political and monetary power in society, and control of humanity, via the peddling of fear and hope!

The only absolutely certain thing is that everything forms from the Infinite and de-forms into the Infinite; everything is finite (as is nothing); nothing lasts forever. Only the Infinite is, was and always will be!

From Earth to the Multi-Universe in 6 minutes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q1mkjkTqg0Y

 

[Irony]

1) How can you get a singularity out of a non-dimentional, absolute nothingness!

There's no way that I'm aware of. Of course, it's a moot point since so far as we're aware there is no such thing as absolute nothingness. And even if there were, my ignorance is just that, ignorance. "I don't know" does not logically lead to "magic man must of done it."

2) If the universe has boundaries how could it be in the middle of a non-dimentional, absolute nothingness!

Again, moot point since the universe, so far as we know, doesn't have boundaries in the simple, three-dimensional sense. The universe is not expanding into some already existing space, it is an expansion of space itself. Think of it like the surface of an expanding sphere. There is no center. There is no edge. It's not easy for our minds to really grasp the concept, but that's a failing of our minds, not the universe.

3) For 93 billion years, light is traveling in all direction, sure some is absorbed by matter in the universe and trapped into black holes; yet light is still generated for 93 billion years from 70 billion trillion stars. So would it illuminate the universe at some point, get backed up due to the time it takes for it to be trapped into the black holes; if that is, there was no way for it to escape, since beyond the boundaries of the Universe there is a non-dimentional, absolute nothingness!

13.7 billion (give or take), not 93. And those stars haven't illuminated the universe because there simply aren't enough of them / enough time. The universe is finite, and due to expansion we can't even see all of it.
And, again, there is no "absolute nothingness". There is no "beyond the boundaries of the universe". The universe is, at least locally cosmologically speaking, everything. Beyond the universe is like north of the north pole.

4) If there is a dimensional void beyond the boundaries of the Universe, could the Universe be seen and from how far away? Would energy be needed to be added to the energy of light to keep light traveling, and for how far/long would light travel? Could it be that quantum fluctuations generate particles of energy absorbed by light, causing it to have its wavy form? Could it be that quantum fluctuations generate particle amounts of energy absorbed by light? Could we harness that energy to traverse the vast distances within our galaxy? Could it be that quantum flactuations form an invisible structure that generates the helix form and movement of galaxies, and the helical movement of planets around the galaxies?

No boundaries, no dimensional void. Light is self-propagating and needs no energy to "keep moving" because that is it's default state. The idea that things need energy to "keep moving" was put to bed by Isaac Newton.

5) Is there a soul; or all there is, is our collective memories; images along with substances in our brain which we understand as feelings, and the effect of them to our heart through the stimulation of our nerves, transferring the outcome to our heart? Is the idea of "soul" simply a product of our imagination, sprang from our need to hope and wish for an afterlife, due to brining to mind a being's last ever exhalation, and nothing more!

Yeap. Exactly that. Souls are imaginary. The idea was born of ignorance and is held on to in the modern day based on wishful thinking and nothing more.

6) Could our memories be transferred to our clones, allowing "us" to "live" beyond death!

Yes to the question, no to the implication.
It's not impossible to transfer memories directly, though it might be impractical, but there's no reason to believe the body with your memories is still you, any more than a photocopy of a document is the original document.

7) Could there be beings or organizations of beings, not infinite of course, yet of exceedingly higher scientific ability and capacity over nature, than humans; super-alien beings, or organizations of such beings?

Yes. "It's possible" doesn't mean much though. And there's no evidence that such beings, if they exist, have ever interacted with us.

8) Would such super beings care about us humans, ants in comparison; about what we do or how we organize our society? Would they need for us to glorify and worship them? Would they use us for their entertainment as pawns in a chess game, a result of a bet, sport in competition? Wouldn't they have more important issues to occupy their super existence, other than dealing with insects, like children, on a daily basis! Would they need to "cultivate" us, and for what purpose; or the monster under the bed and in the closet is a product of human imagination; for political and monetary power in society and control of humanity?

Who knows? Such beings would likely be completely alien in their way of thinking. Or maybe a bit of convergent evolution would shape them more similar to us. The need for a stable functioning society does limit the possibilities a bit after all. But ultimately without evidence of these beings even existing baseless speculation is just baseless speculation. It can be fun to do, and I won't deny that speculating about alien life can produce insights into why we are the way we are, but it's not going to produce any useful data about the hypothetical aliens.

 

[abaddon]

You forgot again. Chickens evolved from egg laying dinosaurs called the theropods. Eggs are a DNA protein structure that evolved with sexual reproduction in mitosis almost 500 million years ago.

You simply don't know anything about anything and you refuse to read books on evolution as it destroys your hilarious "God is infinity" religion.

Odd. Eggs were in constant use before there were chickens. Those came after.Thus I have no clue if the protagonist even has a point to make? Eggs obviosly. It is not a controvesial topic, is it?

But then one has to step back and look at the excuse for an argument. The protagonist WANTS to manufacture a controversy out of whole cloth.

Like it or lump it, that is the playlist. Sure, it is amusingly bovine. Which is whyI am amused not annoyed. That said, annoyance with the pests is not far behind.

I am not about to have a coronary because some wingnut said a stupid thing. That is their job description.

 

[tazanastazio]

Thank you for your answers. Nice pun with your Avatar and the wordplay bty.

13.7 billion (give or take), not 93. And those stars haven't
illuminated the universe because there simply aren't enough of them / enough time. The universe is finite, and due to expansion we can't even see all of it.
And, again, there is no "absolute nothingness". There is no "beyond the boundaries of the universe". The universe is, at least locally cosmologically speaking, everything. Beyond the universe is like north of the north pole.

I need to rephrase this one,

Light has been generated for 13.8 light years time, and is continuously generated by billions of trillions of stars, spreading throughout a maximum distance (diameter) of 93 billion light - years, and at lesser distances through a hypothetical center in all directions.

No boundaries, no dimensional void. Light is self-propagating and needs no energy to "keep moving" because that is it's default state. The idea that things need energy to "keep moving" was put to bed by Isaac Newton.

True, only Newton was referring to our finite, known Universe and to a void which we now consider to not be absolutely empty. So how far can light travel into infinity and through universes that may exist under different laws. That is why I wondered from what maximum distance could our Universe be detected.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

1) How can you get a singularity out of a non-dimentional, dimensional, absolute nothingness!

You already linked to a paper on quantum fluctuation.......which you obviously didn't read! Read the paper you linked.

2) If the universe has boundaries how could it be in the middle of a non-dimentional, dimensional absolute nothingness!

The universe creates its own space. We have linked you to endless papers explaining this which you refuse to read as it falsifies your hilarious "infinities of infinities religion".

3) For 93 billion years, light is traveling in all direction........

There are so many errors in this claim it is hard to stop laughing. The universe is 13.7 billion years old. Stars did not form until 100 million years later. However the cosmic background radiation from the big bang is all through the universe. You were already told this numerous times and you keep forgetting.

4) If there is a dimensional void beyond the boundaries of the Universe, could the Universe be seen and from how far away?

No. as there is no light waves in a dimensionless void. You don't know what light waves are remember? Your hilarious religion claimed light was bouncing balls and everyone laughed at you.

5) Is there a soul

You failed to ever supply any evidence for the "souls" in your stupid self invented "infinities of infinities religion"

7) Could there be beings... of exceedingly higher scientific ability and capacity over nature, than humans

Yes. So what? They are not here.

8) Would such super beings care about us humans,

As they are not here they probably don't know we exist.

Why don't you post your anti-science, BS new religion on a religious forum, and stop wasting our time.

 

[tazanastazio]

You forgot again. Chickens evolved from egg laying dinosaurs called the theropods. Eggs are a DNA protein structure that evolved with sexual reproduction in mitosis almost 500 million years ago.

Odd. Eggs were in constant use before there were chickens. Those came after.Thus I have no clue if the protagonist even has a point to make? Eggs obviosly. It is not a controvesial topic, is it?

But then one has to step back and look at the excuse for an argument. The protagonist WANTS to manufacture a controversy out of whole cloth.

Like it or lump it, that is the playlist. Sure, it is amusingly bovine. Which is whyI am amused not annoyed. That said, annoyance with the pests is not far behind.

I am not about to have a coronary because some wingnut said a stupid thing. That is their job description.

Ridiculous arguments from both of you, for even a five year old could google now and inform you that Dinos evolved from archosaurs which evolved from diapsid reptiles, which evolved from species which evolved from birds and reptiles, all of which evolved from the first amphibian species that made their way to land from the occean and perhaps evolved from sea mammals who may have evolved from egg laying species or mammals.

But if you want to fill pages with nonsense and ridiculous arguments, be my guests and knock yourselves out.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Having said all that, you still come up against "Did the chicken bear the egg, or the egg the chicken?"

You forgot again. Chickens evolved from egg laying dinosaurs called the theropods. Eggs are a DNA protein structure that evolved with sexual reproduction in mitosis almost 500 million years ago.

Are you talking to yourself again, by quoting us?

Ridiculous arguments from both of you, for even a five year old could google now and inform you that Dinos evolved from archosaurs

You made the claim about "chickens". Did you forget again?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

But if you want to fill pages with nonsense and ridiculous arguments, be my guests and knock yourselves out.

Tell us again about your new "infinities of infinities religion" and how everything, including light is caused by little bouncing balls.

 

[tazanastazio]

There are so many errors in this claim it is hard to stop laughing. The universe is 13.7 billion years old. Stars did not form until 100 million years later. However the cosmic background radiation from the big bang is all through the universe. You were already told this numerous times and you keep forgetting.

I analyze that statement again for you personally:

Light has been generated for 13.8 light years time, and is continuously generated by billions of trillions of stars, spreading throughout a maximum distance (diameter) of 93 billion light - years, and at lesser distances through a hypothetical center in all directions.

 

[tazanastazio]

You made the claim about "chickens". Did you forget again?

Keep trying, you may succeed in convincing people that you can't tell a pun for what it is.

Tell us again about your new "infinities of infinities religion" and how everything, including light is caused by little bouncing balls.

This is what generates everything to infinity:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=WZgZI5vymiM

*P R O V E _M E_W R O N G !*

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Light has been generated for 13.8 light years time, and is continuously generated by billions of trillions of stars, spreading throughout a maximum distance (diameter) of 93 billion light - years, and at lesser distances through a hypothetical center in all directions.

And as the universe is not filled with light.....therefore the universe isn't infinite and your stupid "infinities of infinities religion" is falsified yet again!

Say "Thank you skeptics" as you leave the room.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

P R O V E. M E W R O N G !

Your claim light is made up of little bouncing balls has been falsified numerous times in this very thread. You first ran away when when we asked you to explain the double-slit experiment

You were also denying that light waves existed, so we asked you to explain why polariod glasses work. using your "little bouncing balls". You ran away again.

 

[tazanastazio]

And as the universe is not filled with light.....therefore the universe isn't infinite and your stupid "infinities of infinities religion" is falsified yet again!

Light moves into infinity.

You are the one who BELIEVES the ridiculous notion that 0 + 0 = Everything

You are the one who BELIEVES in a Universe the boundary of which is a non-dimentional nothingness.

You are the one who BELIEVES that the Universe sprang into existence from a non-dimentional, absolute nothingness!

I SIMPLY PROVED YOUR RELIGION OF NOTHINGNESS WRONG AND A FALLACY!

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You are the one who BELIEVES the ridiculus (ridiculous) notion that 0 + 0 = Everything

You poor confused man. You are posting a you-tube on quantum fluctuation as support for your hilarious new religion, while simultaneously denying that quantum fluctuation takes place.

Tell us in your own words what quantum fluctuation is and how it statistically creates particles? You can't, can you? You simply added a random video and hoped no one would notice.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I SIMPLY PROVED YOUR RELIGION OF NOTHINGNESS WRONG AND A FALLACY!

Pssst......your video on quantum fluctuation proved the exact opposite. You just shot down your own "little bouncing balls" religion again.