While I certainly don't agree with the UFO believers, I think I can follow what they have told you. Gods supposedly come from heaven, or like locals, which no one can point to. UFOs supposedly come from planets around other stars, which we can see. The one story is pure fantasy, the other only mostly.
While I certainly don't agree with the UFO believers, I think I can follow what they have told you. Gods supposedly come from heaven, or like locals, which no one can point to. UFOs supposedly come from planets around other stars, which we can see. The one story is pure fantasy, the other only mostly.
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
I'm just glad I'm not the only one who thought of it.
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
Great minds etc.
Axxman300
Philosopher
No. Ghosts are a side-effect.
Not explaining them can get people hurt, as in the case of CO2 poisoning, and outgassing from toxic sheetrock. They may also be diabetic.
This is why it is important to understand why people see, or think they see them. Non-existence is a starting point, not an end point.
xterra
So far, so good...
Ghosts are diabetic? How did that come about? 
Also, do you have a link to a peer-reviewed journal article on this?
Also, do you have a link to a peer-reviewed journal article on this?
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
I think what the Axxman was saying is that the perception of ghosts could be a symptom of diabetes, but it's not one I've heard about.
Axxman300
Philosopher
Ghosts are diabetic? How did that come about?
Also, do you have a link to a peer-reviewed journal article on this?
Symptom of diabetes. Blood sugar spikes lead to sleep apnea. Sleep apnea accounts for many of the more dramatic ghost encounters due to sleep paralysis. A diabetic fog can make a person hear things.
Most diabetics don't know they have the disease until it's far along.
If someone tells me they're seeing hooded figures standing at the end of their bed the first thing I tell them is to check their blood glucose.
malbui
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Anecdata from a diabetic: on the couple of occasions my levels have got completely out of whack I've been in a bizarre mental state until things calmed down. We're talking the same level as when off my head on serious medication post-surgery. As far as I can remember it.
xterra
So far, so good...
I should have used an emoticon or " /s " to indicate that my comment was intended to be humorous.
Gilbert Syndrome
Philosopher
It's not that I don't get what they're trying to say, I'm usually just being pedantic, but I find their comments baffling all the same.
IMO, having evidence for UFO's just means you've got some evidence that an object that you can't identify was flying through the air, not that aliens exist or that the object came from anywhere other than earth.
IMO, there's no evidence to suggest aliens exist, nor that they've ever visited earth once, never mind multiple times. I'm sceptical of most UFO sightings, tbh.
So I get what they mean, but I don't really agree with it. Both stories are purely based in speculation, IMO, yet I don't mind anyone believing in either.
xterra
So far, so good...
The problem, as we all know, is that although UFO is almost the correct term for what people see, it has come to mean something else.
The correct term as pointed out in this or another thread, is "UVP" for Unidentified Visual Phenomenon.
What believers mean by "UFO" is "ILIAFT" for Interstellar (or Intergalactic or Interdimensional) Live Intelligent Alien-owned Flying Thing." Usually the believers think that the ILIAs have some strange interest or fascination or obsession with human sexual organs or activity or something.
We never hear about these ILIAs investigating the sexual activities of rhesus monkeys, or elands, or turtles? Why is that?
The correct term as pointed out in this or another thread, is "UVP" for Unidentified Visual Phenomenon.
What believers mean by "UFO" is "ILIAFT" for Interstellar (or Intergalactic or Interdimensional) Live Intelligent Alien-owned Flying Thing." Usually the believers think that the ILIAs have some strange interest or fascination or obsession with human sexual organs or activity or something.
We never hear about these ILIAs investigating the sexual activities of rhesus monkeys, or elands, or turtles? Why is that?
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Reformed Offlian
Master Poster
The aliens that tried to anal probe grizzly bears are all ghosts now.
StillSleepy
Muse
Reminds me of a postcard with the caption "Grizzly Bear Artificial Insemination Team, Wyoming."
Also, aliens would probably be very confused by hyenas.
Also, aliens would probably be very confused by hyenas.
Axxman300
Philosopher
I figured you were, but it's a great opportunity to better explain my point.
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
But even that statement assumes that the phenomenon you are seeing is an object. Many aren't.
Gilbert Syndrome
Philosopher
Of course, all of these sightings vary, but generally, most people see an actual object, they just don't know what it is. It's usually a plane.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
One of the frustrating things about UFO reports is that you can't actually say that it's usually a plane.
Gilbert Syndrome
Philosopher
I guess that's true, but I'm generally speaking from my own experiences with some people who have definitely seen a plane of some sort. Near to Speke airport here in Liverpool, you tend to see all manner of planes flying overhead, and I knew one fella who quite often spotted UFOs in Speke.
I feel planes are a more obvious explanation for UFOs, but they don't account for all sightings, but I do believe all sightings have their logical explanations.
As a kid, me and a few mates had a UFO-spotting club, you can imagine we saw them quite frequently! I think that goes for many people who intentionally set out to find UFOs, or ghosts, or Bigfoot, Nessie, etc, you start seeing the buggers everywhere.
I remember working with one ex-fireman, quite an intelligent chap, but he had a thing for ghosts, as did I, I just didn't believe in them, whereas he did. He had one of those ghost apps that lots of people had in 2010, around then. He'd matter-of-factly walk up to me during shifts and would show me his app, telling me to have a wander round a certain abandoned warehouse on my break as he'd had some good readings! Needless to say I asked if I could have a wander there during my shift, as opposed to my break, and he obliged. I'd sit in the old warehouse just eating a chocolate bar and generally doing bugger-all for 30 minutes.
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Sort of. They are a claimed phenomenon. Those claims, however, evaporate when subjected to close examination. Or any examination at all.