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Not at all like those centrists who will vote for Democrats as long as those Democrats make themselves sufficiently indistinguishable from Republicans; those are totally real.
 
Delvo said:
Not at all like those centrists who will vote for Democrats as long as those Democrats make themselves sufficiently indistinguishable from Republicans; those are totally real.
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Is this a random thought off the top of your head that you felt you needed to share?
 
Is Dudalb on your ignore list? I thought it was pretty obvious that that was a direct response to his/her last post.

He/She claimed (using sarcasm) that the idea of running candidates who would actually fight for progressive policies would be hunting mythical progressive voters who aren't really there. I responded (using sarcasm) that it's the voters in the middle, whom the party has been trying to hunt by running candidates who will just continue the fine tradition of rolling over for whatever the Republicans want to do, are who are mythical (which would be why Democrats have been losing so much by hunting them so hard).

What part of that wasn't thoroughly clear?
 
Delvo said:
Is Dudalb on your ignore list? I thought it was pretty obvious that that was a direct response to his/her last post.

He/She claimed (using sarcasm) that the idea of running candidates who would actually fight for progressive policies would be hunting mythical progressive voters who aren't really there. I responded (using sarcasm) that it's the voters in the middle, whom the party has been trying to hunt by running candidates who will just continue the fine tradition of rolling over for whatever the Republicans want to do, are who are mythical (which would be why Democrats have been losing so much by hunting them so hard).

What part of that wasn't thoroughly clear?
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Honestly, I didn't relate it that way. I see it now that you've explained, but it didn't actually seem to be a direct response, but a generic comment.
 
Is there anyone on these forums who voted for Clinton in the general election that wouldn't have voted for Sanders had it been him vs Trump in the general instead?

I have a really hard time buying the argument that people who voted for Clinton would have suddenly stayed home or voted Trump/3rd party instead of for Sanders.

Meanwhile he would have picked up some of the votes from people who stayed home, voted Trump, or voted 3rd party because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton because they thought she was corrupt or republican lite or an out of touch elite, or whatever their reason was. (FYI I'm not arguing she was those things).
 
The_Animus said:
Is there anyone on these forums who voted for Clinton in the general election that wouldn't have voted for Sanders had it been him vs Trump in the general instead?

I have a really hard time buying the argument that people who voted for Clinton would have suddenly stayed home or voted Trump/3rd party instead of for Sanders.

Meanwhile he would have picked up some of the votes from people who stayed home, voted Trump, or voted 3rd party because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton because they thought she was corrupt or republican lite or an out of touch elite, or whatever their reason was. (FYI I'm not arguing she was those things).
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True story: I know a dog who would have voted for Bernie, but didn't vote for Hills.

More seriously: I think you have a better point than I would have given you credit for prior to the election.
 
Trebuchet said:
I looked semi-seriously at making a move before Trump was elected. They are very restrictive. If you're a retired American with sufficient assets to live on without taking a job from a Canadian citizen and just wants to live there and spend money, they aren't interested.
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Canada is limiting Immigration? How racist!
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Canada is limiting Immigration? How racist!
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Well, no, but nice try. You might call it agist, but in the context of Canadian society agism is probably kind of acceptable. Once you've achieved landed immigrant status, you get all the rights and benefits (other than voting, I believe) of a Canadian citizen. Trebuchet is a fine healthy gourd slinger right now. He'd be no burden, but what happens when he gets a brain cloud in four years and hasn't paid into the system for fifty years? The Canadian populace is now going to pay for his medical treatments for the remaining three decades of his life.

It's basic actuarial stuff. I'm going to produce nothing for Canada unless you count sitting on my porch and shouting "Get Off My Lawn - Descendre Ma Pelouse". The reality is that at 65+, you're not going to be going for job training grants, but you're quite likely to be a suck on the medical facilities.
 
Bubba said:
Republicans might be hoping Joe Biden gets nominated for 2020.

They would call attention to the footage of him fondling little girls too much for their comfort. It does look a little creepy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-YjGmpO4Q
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"A little creepy"?

Downright revolting is closer to the mark, and in the light of current feelings on unwanted advances, would have to disqualify him.

The expressions on his and the kids' faces during the episodes are fairly revealing, and there's at least one where he appears to be pushing his crotch area into one of the girls.
 
The_Animus said:
Is there anyone on these forums who voted for Clinton in the general election that wouldn't have voted for Sanders had it been him vs Trump in the general instead?
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I don't think using this forum is a very good measure of how Sanders would have done in a general election. People here tend to be left-leaning and secular/atheist (so Sander's self-label as a "socialist", or his supposed atheism would not be a deal breaker for people here.)

Where Sanders would have lost votes (compared to Clinton):

- Minorities, especially minority Christians (Sanders didn't get much support from Minorities in the primaries, so I can see that trend continuing in a general election. And being an atheist might turn off even more of them)

- Pro-business people who might otherwise support republicans but voted for Clinton because they saw her as a moderate (and, more importantly, not racist like Trump). But those people may see Sanders as going too far towards the political left. (Remember, while some loved his "free college and health care for all" proposals, those would have required an increase in taxes. That's not going to go over well with middle-age/middle class voters)

- Blue collar people who would traditionally be Democratic voters and who might consider themselves "patriots" and got turned off when they see video of "Comrade Sanders at anti-American rallies in South America". (Granted, many of them already voted for Trump, but a Sanders candidacy might make the issue just a little worse)

Then you also have the ugly fact... elections cost money to run. While Sanders bragged about all the small donations he received in the primaries, general elections cost a lot more. I doubt he'd get enough small donations to cover it, and going after "big money" donors (if any were willing to support him) would just get him labeled a hypocrite.
 
The_Animus said:
Is there anyone on these forums who voted for Clinton in the general election that wouldn't have voted for Sanders had it been him vs Trump in the general instead?

I have a really hard time buying the argument that people who voted for Clinton would have suddenly stayed home or voted Trump/3rd party instead of for Sanders.
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Isn't that precisely what the Clintonistas have accused the Bernie Bros of doing?
 
Howard Schultz has stepped down as CEO of Starbucks and is getting some buzz, which New York Magazine tries to kill:

Now, look: Howard Schultz will never be president. The man is the embodiment of nearly everything that Democratic primary voters are anxious to vote against: A white male billionaire — with no political experience — who opposes universal health care and supports entitlement cuts.
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He sounds like this cycle's Martin O'Malley; someone who could have crossover appeal to moderate Republicans and who is going to get nowhere because that is not what Democratic primary voters are looking for.
 
On the other hand, I think voters ..Dems in particular..are going to very skeptical of CEO's who want to be President but have no experience in government or public office.
I think it has been shows that President is not an entry level position.
 
The_Animus said:
Is there anyone on these forums who voted for Clinton in the general election that wouldn't have voted for Sanders had it been him vs Trump in the general instead?

I have a really hard time buying the argument that people who voted for Clinton would have suddenly stayed home or voted Trump/3rd party instead of for Sanders.

Meanwhile he would have picked up some of the votes from people who stayed home, voted Trump, or voted 3rd party because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton because they thought she was corrupt or republican lite or an out of touch elite, or whatever their reason was. (FYI I'm not arguing she was those things).
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I find it difficult to imagine voting for Trump if Satan himself was running against him. In so many ways I hate Pence even more then Trump, but it would still be a no brainer to vote against Trump if they were facing each other on the ballot.
 
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