Cosmic Yak
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Watched the first video. Nowhere does he say there was proof this was an alien spacecraft. Are you sure you linked to the right video?
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Watched the first video. Nowhere does he say there was proof this was an alien spacecraft. Are you sure you linked to the right video?
JimiHendrix
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There was another ufo wave in Belgium in 1997.I saw it myself.
John Jones
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Zetas right again!
smartcooky
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Regarding the supposed F-16 pilot's "sighting" of a UFO, we have to remember that the F-16 pilot did not actually see a UFO at all. When Marc Hallet of "The Skeptic Report" actually interviewed the pilot and some of his fellow flyers, it was clear that they were all quite amused at the UFO hypothesis. If SOBEPS (Société Belge D'étude des Phénomènes Spatiaux, a Belgian UFO investigation group) had not turned this into a UFO flap, these alleged mysterious radar returns would have been labeled for what they were, a well understood phenomenon known as “dot angels”, a common occurrence where a back-scattered radar return is received from dry roll convection in a clear air atmospheric boundary layer. This radar phenomenon is also known as "Bragg Scattering".
Furthermore, the sudden apparent acceleration of a "dot angel" radar return is also a well known phenomenon. It happens when there are sudden changes in the convection architecture, the airmass from which the area where the return is coming will suddenly dissipate and the radar return will appear to accelerate dramatically and diminish suddenly. Its difficult to visualize how this happens, but the simplest analogy is a wave breaking on a beach. A wave comes towards the beach at, say 10 kph, but when it starts to break, the break point can shoot along the top of the wave at many times the speed of the wave, as much as 80 - 100 kph.
Furthermore, the sudden apparent acceleration of a "dot angel" radar return is also a well known phenomenon. It happens when there are sudden changes in the convection architecture, the airmass from which the area where the return is coming will suddenly dissipate and the radar return will appear to accelerate dramatically and diminish suddenly. Its difficult to visualize how this happens, but the simplest analogy is a wave breaking on a beach. A wave comes towards the beach at, say 10 kph, but when it starts to break, the break point can shoot along the top of the wave at many times the speed of the wave, as much as 80 - 100 kph.
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arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
What about real ghosts?
Or real angels for that matter. Have you ruled out the idea that they were real angels?
Of course you haven't.
What else haven't you ruled out?
smartcooky
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Of course, you mean "dot angels", however, I question this claim.
Firstly, there is no "Air Force" study that I can find, which rules out Bragg Scatter returns. If such a study exists, post it!
Secondly, by its very nature, there is no way to conclusively rule out Bragg Scatter returns. The conditions for such phenomena are transitory at best
Furthermore, there were several instances in this event of the returns freezing on the display, i.e. remaining in the same spot on the HUD while the F-16's turned and manoeuvred. When this happens, it is almost certainly caused by instrument failure. Lieutenant-Colonel Salmon from the Belgian Air Force Electronic War Centre stated this when he was interviewed for Science & Vie in 1992.
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John Jones
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jakesteele
Fait Accompli
yes, that's what the govt. said, anyway.
some people seem to believe everything the govt. says as long as it reinforces their belief system.
I'm not sure why the Arnold incident is considered the beginning rather than the Kareeta sighting in San Diego or the Texas airship sightings or even the stories going way back to Ezekiel, the Ramayana, etc....is it a matter of journalism or marketing or...?
smartcooky
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Of course, keeping in mind that it fits the evidence, whereas the evidence for crashed flying saucers and dead alien bodies is..... oh wait, that's right. There isn't any!
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John Jones
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Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Some people seem to disbelieve everything the govt. says as long as it contradicts their belief system.
Sensible people go with the evidence, and believe the government only when it does the same.
Anyone have any Idea why the leader or leaders of every single country in the world over the last 70 years agreed to not go public with all this evidence of extraterrestrial vehicles?
My view is actually that all these leaders have released all the evidence they have of extraterrestrial vehicles.
My view is actually that all these leaders have released all the evidence they have of extraterrestrial vehicles.
Most likely the emergence of a community of people interested in them.
Mysterious airships, foo fighters, and ghost rockets came and went without provoking the emergence of a community of UFOlogists. The difference for flying saucers was Ray Palmer and the USAF.
Jack by the hedge
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Simple enough: the fact that they miraculously managed unanimously to agree on something was so startling, astonishing and entirely unique in world history that nobody wants to be the spoilsport who ruins it.
