Why People Voted For Trump – For Those Who Don't Get It

I'll agree with one thing in the OP: it was looooooong.

But right off the bat, I have a problem with the thesis: "Hillary motivated voters." Really? I mean, sure, it's no secret that voting against one candidate is really the predominant motivation in most elections, but what you have set up with your thesis is that you're going to explain why Hillary Clinton is such a horrible person that people just couldn't vote for her, and that's the main reason she lost.

Here's why your thesis looks suspicious on its face: If character flaws and bad behavior are really all that important to you, how the hell could you vote for Donald J. Trump?

So right off the bat, I'm suspicious that I'm about to read a loooooong disingenuous rationalization. But I did read it, and then I find that you appear to be plugged into the Vast Right-Wing BS Machine. You believe things that simply aren't true, and I'm kinda old-school about this: facts matter, and no, you are not entitled to your own.

But that still doesn't explain your thesis unless you compare this distorted image of Hillary to an image of Trump that's also distorted, but to exclude the 10 or 12 reasons that he is manifestly unfit and unqualified for office. And that's without even getting into his deplorable policy agenda, such as we can make it out to be, which is pretty hard to do given that there is no reason to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

Nope, I'm not buying it. Yes, I definitely believe that you hate Hillary, but your argument is contrived and thoroughly disingenuous. And you left out the part where you rationalize that Trump is a better, or even acceptable, option.
 
uke2se said:
Which is why I feel it is important to keep calling them on that lie. Keep repeating that it's their fault. We are already seeing buyer's remorse, as evidenced by the OP. Many people are starting to realise that voting with your rage isn't very productive. It's going to be a cold awakening, but it needs to happen, for the future of us all.

The time to be meek or seek to ease these people into reality is over. They need to be yanked back, or cut loose.
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I've discussed this in meatspace, and likened it to how one treats an out of control drug addict. Since they're hellbent on wrecking everything around them, there's little to do except cut them off and hope they hit rock bottom without completely destroying themselves.

In any case, it's remarkable to see how quickly "personal responsibility" gets tossed right out the window, even though one's vote is an action that is legitimately a choice each person can decide for themselves, with virtually no outside interference (assuming you make it to the voting booth, of course).
 
Mumbles said:
"Storing work email on a private server" is not a violation of national security standards. It's questionable to archival standards, but since she turned them over when asked (and did not lie about it), and also asked the FBI to make her emails public, it's tough to argue that she was intentionally hiding much of anything from anyone.

Now, storing classified info on any computer connected to the internet is a violation, but that applies to Department of State email servers as well - but that's been discussed before.
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What gets me is the sheer hypocrisy of Trump fans who fume about Clinton's emails. Where were these people when the Bush Administration used RNC servers and "lost" orders of magnitude more messages than were endlessly bloviated about in Clinton's case? Where were they when Colin Powell used private servers for State Dept. emails? And where were they when Donald Trump and his crew deleted messages and data relevant to legal proceedings?

What Clinton did with her email setup was wrong, and her stories about it contained some clumsy lies. I'm not defending that. It's just that one has to marvel at the blatant, unadulterated, shameless hypocrisy of Trump fans preaching at us about why they had to vote for him because they couldn't trust her.
 
So to sum it up, the OP voted for Trump because they are easy mark for con artists and can easily be taken advantage of because they can’t separate propaganda from facts.
 
sts60 said:
What gets me is the sheer hypocrisy of Trump fans who fume about Clinton's emails. Where were these people when the Bush Administration used RNC servers and "lost" orders of magnitude more messages than were endlessly bloviated about in Clinton's case? Where were they when Colin Powell used private servers for State Dept. emails? And where were they when Donald Trump and his crew deleted messages and data relevant to legal proceedings?

What Clinton did with her email setup was wrong, and her stories about it contained some clumsy lies. I'm not defending that. It's just that one has to marvel at the blatant, unadulterated, shameless hypocrisy of Trump fans preaching at us about why they had to vote for him because they couldn't trust her.
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Magnificent example of a tu quoque!

I have gone on record repeatedly stating that I think Colin Powell should have the jail cell next to Hillary. Hell throw them all in the clink, starting with Hillary.

Can I get you agreement on that?
 
lomiller said:
So to sum it up, the OP voted for Trump because they are easy mark for con artists and can easily be taken advantage of because they can’t separate propaganda from facts.
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Such is the Trump-Right.

Propaganda is literally everything from any source, if it runs counter to their bizarre version of reality.

It even states that Mitch McConnell isn't on the right. :boggled:
 
lomiller said:
So to sum it up, the OP voted for Trump because they are easy mark for con artists and can easily be taken advantage of because they can’t separate propaganda from facts.
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This election proved that carpetbagger is still a viable career option in 2016.
 
NoahFence said:
Such is the Trump-Right.

Propaganda is literally everything from any source, if it runs counter to their bizarre version of reality.
It even states that Mitch McConnell isn't on the right. :boggled:
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You mean like the 37 Electors that were gonna defect from Trump stories? How did that pan out in the truth-o-meter department?

The thing is, the Liberal is the one eating up the fake news and this latest 37 Elector scam is the latest proof of it. Funny that the Liberal media gets a free pass on everything from you guys. How's that 37 Elector thing working out for ya? Still real?

Chris B.
 
trustbutverify said:
Or maybe it was a pathetic attempt to avoid responsibility for the choice to vote a paranoid buffoon into the presidency. Yes, I think that's what it was.
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I'm sure everyone takes responsibility for their choice. I voted Trump and I'll own that. Proud of it. I'm not ashamed of my choice or my candidate. Chris B

PROUD TRUMP SUPPORTER
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
You mean like the 37 Electors that were gonna defect from Trump stories? How did that pan out in the truth-o-meter department?

The thing is, the Liberal is the one eating up the fake news and this latest 37 Elector scam is the latest proof of it. Funny that the Liberal media gets a free pass on everything from you guys. How's that 37 Elector thing working out for ya? Still real?

Chris B.
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The thing is, the attempt to sway the electoral college was taken seriously by a tiny fraction of people in the US, whether Democrat or Republican, liberal or anything else. It was a sideshow.

It was a moderately interesting sideshow, so the media covered it. It generated headlines and eyeballs, so they used it to sell soap, but no one took it seriously.

So how is it working out for us? Just fine, thanks, except for a handful of nuts who thought it was a real thing.

And, what I mean by that, is that anyone who bought into it as a serious effort, whether they supported the effort or opposed it, had to be a bit nutty. Among people who thought it was a real thing, a serious effort, do you think more of them are liberals, or conservatives? Democrats, or Republicans?


Donald Trump, the right wing media, and the "liberal" media are all playing you.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
You mean like the 37 Electors that were gonna defect from Trump stories? How did that pan out in the truth-o-meter department?

The thing is, the Liberal is the one eating up the fake news and this latest 37 Elector scam is the latest proof of it. Funny that the Liberal media gets a free pass on everything from you guys. How's that 37 Elector thing working out for ya? Still real?

Chris B.
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Nobody ever took that seriously. I sure as hell didn't.
 
Meadmaker said:
The thing is, the attempt to sway the electoral college was taken seriously by a tiny fraction of people in the US, whether Democrat or Republican, liberal or anything else. It was a sideshow.

It was a moderately interesting sideshow, so the media covered it. It generated headlines and eyeballs, so they used it to sell soap, but no one took it seriously.

So how is it working out for us? Just fine, thanks, except for a handful of nuts who thought it was a real thing.

And, what I mean by that, is that anyone who bought into it as a serious effort, whether they supported the effort or opposed it, had to be a bit nutty. Among people who thought it was a real thing, a serious effort, do you think more of them are liberals, or conservatives? Democrats, or Republicans?


Donald Trump, the right wing media, and the "liberal" media are all playing you.
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I don't recall any of the protesters outside the state buildings yesterday being Republicans........if that's anything relevant as to who believed this garbage.......... Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I'm sure everyone takes responsibility for their choice. I voted Trump and I'll own that. Proud of it. I'm not ashamed of my choice or my candidate. Chris B

PROUD TRUMP SUPPORTER
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FYI -
Unless you're a white nationalist or a multi-billionaire, this isn't going to go well for you.

I sometimes feel bad about folks that got rail-roaded by this piece of ****.

Sometimes.
 
A lot of them seemed to think he was lying when he was talking about helping congress take away their healthcare. That is one reason they voted for him.
 
Meadmaker said:
The thing is, the attempt to sway the electoral college was taken seriously by a tiny fraction of people in the US, whether Democrat or Republican, liberal or anything else. It was a sideshow.

It was a moderately interesting sideshow, so the media covered it. It generated headlines and eyeballs, so they used it to sell soap, but no one took it seriously.

So how is it working out for us? Just fine, thanks, except for a handful of nuts who thought it was a real thing.

And, what I mean by that, is that anyone who bought into it as a serious effort, whether they supported the effort or opposed it, had to be a bit nutty. Among people who thought it was a real thing, a serious effort, do you think more of them are liberals, or conservatives? Democrats, or Republicans?


Donald Trump, the right wing media, and the "liberal" media are all playing you.
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Given the posts on social media, the actual protests at numerous electoral sites, the tens of thousands of actual letters, and the fact numerous well known Hollywood types put together an actual infomercial about it, suggesting it was not a serious effort is a bit rich.

The fact that it was stupid does not mean that Hillary fans did not take it seriously.
 
The Big Dog said:
Magnificent example of a tu quoque!
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Nope. It would be if I was saying Clinton was justified because [the other guys], or Trump wasn't justified because [the other guys]. It's not a tu quoque fallacy merely to point out inconsistency and/or hypocrisy in someone else's argument.

The Big Dog said:
I have gone on record repeatedly stating that I think Colin Powell should have the jail cell next to Hillary. Hell throw them all in the clink, starting with Hillary.

Can I get you agreement on that?
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You can get part of me agreement. (One good typo deserves another.)

I don't think Powell or Clinton belong in jail for their email sins. Censure or other administrative penalties, I can see.

But let's go with your penalty. I might support that if it included jail time for Bush and Cheney and Trump. If you're on board with that, your position is consistent. If you tell me Clinton is untrustworthy because of her email sins and therefore Trump is a better choice, that's hypocritical.
 
The Don said:
.....yes, and ?

I was responding to this post from lionking



I pointed out that the highlighted part was inaccurate.

A majority of the US electorate did not vote for Trump.

A majority of those who registered to vote did not vote for Trump

Heck, not even a majority of the 55% who bothered to turn out voted for Trump.

He didn't even get the most votes.

So I think it's perfectly fair to point out, and lionking as a reasonable person was happy to accept, that the highlighted part of lionking's post was inaccurate.
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I think we need to adopt a theme, like his candidacy did.

We need to call him "The Loser President" or "The Minority President" or "The Electoral College's President," or "The Fewest Votes President"

What he's not, is he's not "Americans' Preferred President"
 
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