Why People Voted For Trump – For Those Who Don't Get It

[Meadmaker]

The media is biased alright - towards anything that generates controversy and keeps people's eyes glued to the screen. It's all about ratings and profit for them, truth be damned!

I do so wish people understood this.

 

[The Big Dog]

You do realize that this:



is false?

Of course you do.

You are right, Hillary lost 5 unfaithful electors, to trump's two, for a net margin increase of 3.

Good catch! There were a bunch more that turned their backs on her, but were prohibited by state law

 

[Meadmaker]

To the OP:

I get it. You voted for Trump because you are mad as hell and you aren't going to take it anymore. I get it.



But there is one aspect of your post that I disagree with in a big, big, way. It's the part where you say that if it all goes bad, it's the left's fault. No, it isn't. You voted for him. You made him President. Good or ill, whatever happens is your fault. You get the credit or the blame. You can't deny responsibility.

 

[Meadmaker]

You are right, Hillary lost 5 unfaithful electors, to trump's two, for a net margin increase of 3.

Good catch! There were a bunch more that turned their backs on her, but were prohibited by state law

What matters? Trump's margin against Hillary, or Trump's margin against 270?


Well, in reality, neither. Today's faithless electors, the largest number in a long, long, time, were just a sideshow. A protest. A meaningless gesture.

 

[Mumbles]

The Democrats should have utterly destroyed Donald in the election, but they didn't. He gave them every opportunity. If he's really that bad, then it's entirely on her that she lost. If you lose to the worst team in the league, you did something horribly wrong.

If electing Trump turns out to be a tragedy:
- You are as responsible for his rise as those who voted for him.
- You dropped the ball and let "a bad man" become president.
- You let the American people down by offering no alternative.

I disagree. Hillary was the clearly superior alternative. You're simply shirking responsibility for your own behavior here. Perhaps you finally noticed Trump's obvious corruption and incompetence since becoming President Elect, and have regrets?

If you still don't get it, read on, because it hasn't ended with the vote!

The Democrats (this includes Obama, so yes "The Democrats") are now claiming that it was the Russians fault. But the administration claimed they knew about the Russians months ago, right? Where was the concern then?

I don't recall Obama saying that it was the Russian's fault, although he did point to them as a factor. And given your complaints about how awful the ordinary politics that they revealed were, they clearly worked on you.

How about the election fraud stuff? Funny, I'm pretty sure it is the left that argues there is no election fraud in the USA, especially posters here at ISF. Uh, #recount anyone? – brought to you by the woman who possibly took the votes that would have handed Hillary the election.

I'm unconcerned with Jill Stein's shenanigans.

If anyone is trying to rig the election it is the left. The left is doing exactly what they claim the right does – disenfranchise voters, point fingers, intolerance, violence and/or threat of...the hypocrisy is off the charts. These electors are receiving death threats from members of the left.

I must have missed the part when an entire political party worked en masse to prevent people from voting based on skin color or age. You know, the exact things that the GOP has been doing in quite a few states for years now.

The left is furthering their distance from voters by doing this. Every attempt at thwarting the election decision shows your disdain for the rest of us. You think you are smarter than everyone else. You feel you need to coddle us and take care of us. Protect our feelings through legislation. No!

Well, I'm only a democrat in order to vote for our congressmen, but I certainly do have a certain disdain for people who vote for corruption, stupidity, and bigotry. You've got me there.

We are personally inundated by nastiness from the left. Accusations of racist, hater, misogynist, especially here in this forum! The left attacked us so much that it just turned many of us completely away.

You can only imagine how I, and most other black and brown people, feel when we see white conservatives endorsing voter suppression, applauding police and vigilantes who attack or murder innocent black people, and rage at non-violent protestors asking to be treated as equal to white people. And voting for a guy who rails against "Mexicans" and advocates for a nation-wide campaign of police harassment of black people doesn't help matters.

In short, if you don't like to be called racist, republicans should consider not saying and doing racist things. I don't have any sympathy for the average republican on this one.

Look, even KKK members insist that they aren't "racist" these days, despite their membership to a white supremacist terrorist group. Their hurt feelings are not my concern.

This was more than a fight against a candidate. You made it a fight against a stacked and corrupt system that stretches far and wide. You, the left, pushed the rest of us to the point where we simply stopped listening. We see some/many of you as intolerant, brainwashed thugs, who force your will on us whether it be physically, through media bias, legislation, or just here at ISF. That is what is happening right now, today.

And yet you voted in favor of a stacked and corrupt system.

Most of us aren't racists or idiots,

The evidence clearly says otherwise.

It's sickening, but even more than that, it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for the left, as well as for being associated with them as American citizens. They are now embarrassing us on a world stage with this post-election hysteria.

Oddly, I'm not at all embarrassed by or for Trump voters. Nor am I at all sympathetic for those people who keep showing up in articles whining about how they voted for Trump, but are now scared of them. Reason clearly didn't work on them, so perhaps suffering will.

Nope. Michelle Obama went on TV a few days ago and told us all how hope is dying now. Don't you liberals all realize that this election, and this so-called loss of hope, is a sign of this administration's failure, and has nothing to do with Trump?

Seems obvious that she was talking about Trump - and that this loss of hope is a fairly natural reaction for people who wanted the better candidate and were caught by surprise. But as I keep saying, white supremacy has always been somewhat popular in the US, so many of us were not that shocked at all. It just means it's time to get back to the same fight that y'all keep insisting on.

Is all this post-election whining because of the whole "everyone gets a trophy thing"? I ponder this a lot, because this reaction by the left is one of the most pathetic, not to mention scariest things I have ever seen. And the left calls the right the fascists?

Well, they call Trump a fascist, and not without reason.

We are tired of being called racists, misogynists and other nasty names that the left throws around without a thought. You are the boy who cried wolf – you cry so much that not only is nobody listening anymore, but we're sick and tired of hearing your voice, period.

One strange thing I've seen a lot is this idea that "racist" (or "misogynist") is some sort of hysterical insult. In reality, these are simply descriptions. If you called Trayvon Martin a "thug", you are almost certainly a racist. If you called Hillary "the C-Word", you're probably a misogynist. When I call Trump a white nationalist, I'm simply looking at his behaviors, his proposals, and his choices for cabinet positions and advisors, and coming to the most likely conclusion. It's no different than calling him a former reality tv host, or 70 year old man.

(I'd have listed a positive trait, but I honestly can't think of one)

Again, we are sick of you.

And I'm sick of being sick of you. You could say we're sick and tired of being sick and tired.

You, the closed minded of the Hillary fans, the FBI, the media, the rabid name callers, and Obama himself – you drove us toward Trump. Stop forcing your ideals down our throats.

Sorry, no, we will continue to demand that you treat us as equal partners in the US, and that you (and that's a general "you", not a particular one) stop judging us based on sex/race/religion/sexual preference.

You want to end the fight? Then stop attacking.

 

[BobTheCoward]

You could start a thread.

I would like to see some evidence that weighting towards the rural states actually protects rural interests.

Why would I start a thread on something I have already debated endlessly here?

 

[Roger Ramjets]

We are tired of being called racists, misogynists and other nasty names

Sorry, but you labeled yourself such when you voted for a serial lying, racist, reality denying misogynist and rapist. Can't take it back now...

You, the closed minded of the Hillary fans, the FBI, the media, the rabid name callers, and Obama himself – you drove us toward Trump.

Stop deflecting and admit the truth - you weren't driven to Trump due to being called names, but because his ideals aligned with your own. You made that decision of your own free will, and everyone is free to tell you what they think of it.

Stop forcing your ideals down our throats.

I don't want to change your ideals. On the contrary, I want you to shout them from the rooftops! Just like you, I thank Trump for giving Americans an opportunity to show the World who they really are...

 

[mijopaalmc]

You are right, Hillary lost 5 unfaithful electors, to trump's two, for a net margin increase of 3.

Good catch! There were a bunch more that turned their backs on her, but were prohibited by state law

And you do realize that the net gain is irrelevant?

Of course you do.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Bottom line, it's all the Democrats fault, no matter what happens. Nothing new here, that's been the standard answer from the right for a long time.

The OP is full of enough bovine excrement that it is stinking up the entire hemisphere.

 

[Varanid]

Nope. This is actually what happened:

Hillary was a deeply flawed candidate.

While she is probably no more corrupt than your garden variety political operative, she lacks the charisma the good lord gave a turnip and seems hell bent on making everyone think she's slimier than Nixon's handkerchief.

I'd have voted for fifteen other democrats, half a dozen republicans, and at least one crotchety old, idealistic independent before I'd have cast a vote for her, but she was the only realistic option on the ballot.

But this was not a conventional election. This wasn't about the nuances of reasonable immigration legislation, or the precise levels by which the EPA mandates this or that, or the finer points of the Syrian conflict. This wasn't even about left- and right-leaning bumper stickers and sound bites.

This was about choosing between an adult and a buffoon -- it really was that simple.

Trump is everything Hillary's camp claimed. But above all, he is ignorant beyond all humor, and simply does not care that this is the case. Even if you aren't bothered that he is crass, obnoxious and indelicate, reasonable minds must agree that he is dangerously impulsive and simply in over his head.

Nevertheless, blinded by three decades of right-wing propaganda, otherwise reasonable Republicans voted for a complete loon. They had no choice. He was, after all, going up against the *********** Antichrist.

Additionally, under-educated, working-class voters -- particularly, but not exclusively, the white version thereof -- were simply swindled by catch phrases and empty promises. These voters could not be troubled to learn about the actual issues; that guy from the TV show was saying great stuff!

To be fair, Obama undoubtedly benefited from the cultural-compliment to these voters, as probably happens in every election. Both sides have their share of low-information voters.

But the people who really deserve the blame, in this particular election, are the reasonable Republicans, who fell victim to 30 years of Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly. Those people just put a snotty 16-year-old in charge of the goddamn country.

Voting for Ryan over Biden? No problem, we probably just disagree on the finer points of governance. Prefer Kasich, Bush or Rubio to Booker, Franken or Pelosi? Good, that's what makes our country great (although I'd argue that the last example of each group are a couple of whack-a-doos).

But this was an election between a skilled, lifelong public servant who unquestionably understands and is prepared for the demands of the job, and a guy with a bunch of money and a whole lot of ill-informed, half-cocked opinions.

 

[Vermonter]

But this was an election between a skilled, lifelong public servant who unquestionably understands and is prepared for the demands of the job, and a guy with a bunch of money and a whole lot of ill-informed, half-cocked opinions.

You forgot to mention "violated national security standards by storing work email on a private server, and then lying about it to the FBI". When she said that she didn't know, she was either lying, or completely oblivious. Not a good set of options.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

We get it alright:

You and most Trump voters have massive buyer's remorse and blame the democrats for "forcing" them to vote for a childish narcissist.

In case you forgot: until the nomination, the entire GOP was virulently anti-Trunp, and many traditional consevative newspapers remain so.
Maybe they all see something you pretend you can't.

 

[Mumbles]

You forgot to mention "violated national security standards by storing work email on a private server, and then lying about it to the FBI". When she said that she didn't know, she was either lying, or completely oblivious. Not a good set of options.

"Storing work email on a private server" is not a violation of national security standards. It's questionable to archival standards, but since she turned them over when asked (and did not lie about it), and also asked the FBI to make her emails public, it's tough to argue that she was intentionally hiding much of anything from anyone.

Now, storing classified info on any computer connected to the internet is a violation, but that applies to Department of State email servers as well - but that's been discussed before.

Whether or not she was charismatic is subjective - but I found her to be vastly more composed, calm, and even jovial, than Trump when the two were debating.

 

[Civet]

Anyone here who voted Trump who doesn't usually vote Republican in presidential elections? I'd kind of like to hear a take from someone like that.

 

[Hungry81]

We get it alright:

You and most Trump voters have massive buyer's remorse and blame the democrats for "forcing" them to vote for a childish narcissist.

In case you forgot: until the nomination, the entire GOP was virulently anti-Trunp, and many traditional consevative newspapers remain so.
Maybe they all see something you pretend you can't.

Yup Buyers remorse is exactly what I thought especially when the Opstarts whinging about it being everyone elses fault. As I said in another thread Americans were tired of politcians lying, percieved economic mismanagement and the 1% selling out their country and livelihoods to other 1%ers, so what do they do? Elect a 1%er with a history of bankruptcy, blatant lying and selling out for president.

The fact that the Op could not see that Trump is terrible is no ones fault but its own. He fell for the scam now he has just realised it. No one is laughing though. Thanks for nothing OP.

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[lionking]

We get it alright:

You and most Trump voters have massive buyer's remorse and blame the democrats for "forcing" them to vote for a childish narcissist.

In case you forgot: until the nomination, the entire GOP was virulently anti-Trunp, and many traditional consevative newspapers remain so.
Maybe they all see something you pretend you can't.

Spot on.

 

[lionking]

I think I get it. The US electorate (ie the majority who voted for Trump) is terminally stupid.

 

[The Don]

I think I get it. The US electorate (ie the majority who voted for Trump) is terminally stupid.

Trump came second in the popular vote by a significant margin.

There wasn't a majority for either candidate.

Which is not to say that those who voted Trump did not make a poor choice but to refer to them as "terminally stupid" isn't particularly helpful IMO.

 

[lionking]

Trump came second in the popular vote by a significant margin.

There wasn't a majority for either candidate.

Which is not to say that those who voted Trump did not make a poor choice but to refer to them as "terminally stupid" isn't particularly helpful IMO.

Your first point is fair. I shouldn't have said majority. Which doesn't make the choice of these voters less stupid. Sorry if it's not helpful. The carnage Trump threatens doesn't make me feel particularly charitable. His stance on climate change alone threatens the whole world, not just those who voted for him.

 

[trustbutverify]

mgidm86, that was a beautiful OP. I'd put a little gold star sticker on it if I could. You've put it into words exactly why Trump won and it's fair and easy to understand, whether anyone will learn from it remains to be seen though. One can hope. Chris B.

Or maybe it was a pathetic attempt to avoid responsibility for the choice to vote a paranoid buffoon into the presidency. Yes, I think that's what it was.