Zero tolerance for allergy sufferers

[CBL4]

Another drug war attack on common sense:

A [Texas] state senator who wants to eliminate from the market drugs that contain mainly pseudoephedrine has introduced a series of four bills for returning lawmakers. Under the legislation by Sen. Craig Estes, no one would be able to buy drugs like Sudafed in Texas.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2985592

Sudafed can be used to make meth and is already banned in Oklahoma.

My favorite quote is:

Anything that can bring us relief ... will be helpful.

I am sure most allergy sufferers would agree.

CBL

 

[crimresearch]

OK, I've pretty much written the War on Drugs off as a waste. but this recent spate of publicity about meth is puzzling...the stuff has been around in one form or another for a long time, but all the breathless media coverage and political posturing act as though it just poppped up for the first time last week, and 'Someone should Do Something about it'.

What gives with the sudden spasm of concern?

 

[LostAngeles]

OK, I've pretty much written the War on Drugs off as a waste. but this recent spate of publicity about meth is puzzling...the stuff has been around in one form or another for a long time, but all the breathless media coverage and political posturing act as though it just poppped up for the first time last week, and 'Someone should Do Something about it'.

What gives with the sudden spasm of concern?

A ten year old girl was allegedly killed to prevent her revealing the location of a local meth lab.

CNN's story here.

I just acetominaphen(?) Sudafed. I hate taking it and being stoned.

 

[kalen]

OK, I've pretty much written the War on Drugs off as a waste. but this recent spate of publicity about meth is puzzling...the stuff has been around in one form or another for a long time, but all the breathless media coverage and political posturing act as though it just poppped up for the first time last week, and 'Someone should Do Something about it'.

What gives with the sudden spasm of concern?

To divert your attention, of course, from some other important issue. The media goes off on some wild goose chase about the horrible meth problem so scrutiny can be deflected from the poverty problem, say.

That, or it's some issue that Sen. Estes think he can grandstand on. It's kind of like "creating brand awareness" for politicians.

PR people get paid millions for thinking this s*** up.

 

[LostAngeles]

A ten year old girl was allegedly killed to prevent her revealing the location of a local meth lab.

CNN's story here.

I just acetominaphen(?) Sudafed. I hate taking it and being stoned.

I just want aceto-whatever out of Sudafed.

Sweet Crucified Jesus Lollipop.

 

[CBL4]

I find plain Sudafed the best thing when I need to be able to function with a cold. In my state, I cannot get it before work because I need a pharmacist to prevent me from making meth on my lunch hour.

But just think of the children! The sneezy, wheezy children that it.

CBL

 

[Zep]

If I understand the process correctly, you need a good big bucket of Sudafeds to extract enough goop to make a few saleable hits of meth.

How about simply limiting the volume sales of the product... You would have to tour the state to get enough Sudafeds to make the operation worth while, so it would cost you more to travel and buy them than you would get from peddling the resulting product.

Huh. Why step on a bug if you can drop a bulldozer on it instead.

 

[KillerBob]

How about simply limiting the volume sales of the product... You would have to tour the state to get enough Sudafeds to make the operation worth while, so it would cost you more to travel and buy them than you would get from peddling the resulting product.

I find that pseudoephedrine works better for my allergies than anything the doctor has prescribed, so I buy the stuff fairly regularly. I think this is voluntary on the part of the drug stores, but it's been a long time since I've seen anyplace here that allows you to purchase more than two pseudoephedrine containing products at any one time.

 

[WildCat]

If I understand the process correctly, you need a good big bucket of Sudafeds to extract enough goop to make a few saleable hits of meth.

How about simply limiting the volume sales of the product... You would have to tour the state to get enough Sudafeds to make the operation worth while, so it would cost you more to travel and buy them than you would get from peddling the resulting product.

Huh. Why step on a bug if you can drop a bulldozer on it instead.

They just did that here in Illinois. I's now behind the counter, and you are limited to 3 packages at a time.

 

[geni]

Waste of time. I could come up with synthesis routs starting from toluene if I had to. Probably slightly easyer than Ecstasy to make.

 

[Art Vandelay]

And I've heard you can make alcohol from potatoes.

How about simply limiting the volume sales of the product... You would have to tour the state to get enough Sudafeds to make the operation worth while, so it would cost you more to travel and buy them than you would get from peddling the resulting product.

Of course, you've got to be pretty stupid to buy several hundred boxes in one store, anyway. Might as well paint a target on your back. I doubt most meth makers obtain their Sudafed through purely legal means to begin with.

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

The "war" on drugs is a joke, but not a funny one. IIRC it was Nixon who started it.

Meth is a nasty drug. Highly addictive, gives you superhuman strength and makes you paranoid as hell. It also is the major money maker for the bike gangs.

I doubt that it will be going away anytime soon. I'm sure some Indian or Chinese drug maker will fill the bill.

Charlie (meth is methy) Monoxide

 

[Zep]

Of course, you've got to be pretty stupid to buy several hundred boxes in one store, anyway. Might as well paint a target on your back. I doubt most meth makers obtain their Sudafed through purely legal means to begin with.

Some crims are dimmer than blown lightbulbs! They do try this...and get caught at it!

Anyway, I believe you are quite right about the sourcing, and as said above, you can also synthesise from other commonly available components at a pinch. And it's all usually in 44-gallon drum lots at a time. So stopping over-the-counter sales does seem a bit silly.

Which begs the question as to what value this legislation really is, what it hopes to achieve. Is it curing a hangnail on a dying man through ignorance of the situation? Or just for show?

 

[kimiko]

Estes represents the part of Texas I live in. Meth is the epidemic here and there are many Nazi meth labs. Lots of farmers means lots of anhydrous ammonia to be stolen. I don't know if we have restrictions on the number of boxes of pseudoephedrine tablets you can buy now, but it wouldn't matter, because you could just go from store to store buying up as much as they'll allow. A ban would be the next step; they'd have to drive to New Mexico or Arkansas to buy it then.