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Yes, another climate change thread

Geckko

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I read this today and thought it was worth reading, especially in the context of the debates that occur on this forum where two diametrically opposed and entrenched groups have complete certainty about their own views - despite the fact that all of us are a gaggle of amateur know-nothings.

Prometheus

(This is a well credentialed academic blog covering science-policy issues)

Here is a taste:

With thirteen thousand people at a confab of geophysicists and geophysicists-in-training, a few thousand of whom work on something related to the climate system, you expect to hear about climate change. In perhaps a short decade, climate change has rapidly surpassed seismology as the primary membrane between the public and the geophysics research world. Climate is now what most makes the American Geophysical Union relevant to non-members; climate is now what essentially drives the meeting despite the presence of dozens of other specialties represented.

As a physical oceanographer (which by definition also means "climatologist")- become-enviro policy guy, though, I wasn't so much interested in the details of climate science at this year's AGU. What I was (and am) interested in is seeing the conference as a whole. My interest in AGU has strayed from the hardrock science, moving into something more to do with feelings and hunches. That's right, feelings. Hunches. Intuition. The squishy, soft underbelly of the human mind; the part we want to ignore in pursuing geophysical data analysis. What I want to know is attitude. More than the state of the science, I now want to know about the state of the scientists.

I will grant that talking to the people I did at AGU represents a small fraction of all the attendees. I will grant that there is no way to know whether my averaging of attitudes in the climsci world, as sensed by talking with a few people over a few days, scales up to represent the true feelings of the collective. But I will tell you what I found, and what I felt, and whether you think it might represent the current attitude of climsci world is up to you.

To sum the state of climsci world in one word, as I see it right now, it is this: tension.

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I read this today and thought it was worth reading, especially in the context of the debates that occur on this forum where two diametrically opposed and entrenched groups have complete certainty about their own views - despite the fact that all of us are a gaggle of amateur know-nothings.

Prometheus

(This is a well credentialed academic blog covering science-policy issues)

Here is a taste:



(original emphasis retained)

thanks for the link.

as an undergrad in geology, i was actually going to be there, at AGU, as i and another student have some new research to present, but due to time constraints, we've decided to wait untill GSA. it sounds like it would have been very interesting, though, so i'll need to make certain i attend next year; at least, by then, i'll be a bit more knowledgable.

a member of my extended family is a geologist, and was presenting a number of papers at AGU. he's been very successful, and works as a professor and researcher. while his focus is not climatology, it is related, and he is known world wide as a "top dog" in his field. while his sentiments are completely anecdotal, they are quite similar to those expressed on the blog to which you linked.

i'll talk with my professors about their experience at AGU, and if i'm bold, and bring up climate change, and see what they think...
 
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