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WTC Reconstruction

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Some CTists are now claiming that the rebuilding of 7 World Trade Center has been done in an extraordinary fast time, almost as though "they had plans ready to go for the rebuilding".

Considering the significance of the site, I don't see anything unusual. I am, however, not an architect nor do I have any experience in the construction industry.

Would those people with experience in those areas comment?

If possible, please also comment on your expertise in the particular field.

I'm planning to use the thread to rebut claims so would prefer "layman" comments kept to an absolute minimum.

Thanks!
 
Just one clarification requested: How long has it actually taken to reconstruct?

I mean, the site was cleared in 2002 or so, and construction started pretty much immediately. So that's what...five years abuilding to date?
 
Reconstruction of Building 7 did not present any signficant problems for several reasons:

1. Nobody died in Building 7 (despite the current push to make it seem so) and nobody was in the rubble, so the steel could be removed at a rapid pace without concern for survivors.

2. It was outside the slurry wall, aka the Bathtub.

3. As it was a non-terrorist target there was no particular significance to rebuilding the building except in the minds of the Deniers.

4. It was not tied up in the ground lease with the Port Authority; this was a property that Silverstein had owned for years and developed originally.

5. It did not get tied up in the "two incidents" litigation.
 
Yeah, I did read that previously, thanks.

What I mean is: Is it some sort of issue that a building of that size takes 4 years to build? Is that too fast? Too slow? I'm no architect or construction engineer, but that doesn't sound like an unreasonable build time compared to other structures of similar size...
 
They may be thinking that the construction started suspiciously soon after 9/11. That's not true. Silverstein was required to rebuild within two years. His financing was aided by the same tax-free Liberty Bonds that were offered to many lower-Manhattan businesses after 9/11. Otherwise construction might have had to wait for a major tenant to sign on, which didn't happen until 2006.
 
Nothing unusual about the new WTC7. It started late 2002, the first parts of the steel frame were going up in December 2003. It opened May/June 2006, a 4.5 year construction period.

Consider that the architects of the Empire State started design work in September 1929 and the building opened on May 1st 1931. Guess that building is a hologram.
 
Zep said:
Just one clarification requested: How long has it actually taken to reconstruct?

I mean, the site was cleared in 2002 or so, and construction started pretty much immediately. So that's what...five years abuilding to date?
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Bloody slackers.
 
The new wtc7 doesn't appear to be of a particularily complex design. Probably something Architect could dash off on the back of a fag packet while doing the highland fling...or whatever it is scots do for pleasure.

If I recall correctly they did spend a bit of time considering the orientation of the new building to enable the reopening of a major thoroughfare which had been closed off by the old tower...or a view or something.

Alternatively, in 'truther' land the new wtc7 was....

....designed, detailed and the materials purchased before nine-eleventy and the wtc7 collapse was a cunning plan to enable redevelopment of the site as a nest for owls!!11!!1111
 
The rebuild was done pretty quickly in my opinion when one considers that just coating the rebar with explosives would have taken about 4 to 6 months.
 
yes, and building all those sekrit titanium walled chambers, as well as the concrete underground nuke bunker would have taken at least another 2 years, not to mention the 3 floors dedicated to the Moloch Temple.

TAM;)
 
T.A.M. said:
yes, and building all those sekrit titanium walled chambers, as well as the concrete underground nuke bunker would have taken at least another 2 years, not to mention the 3 floors dedicated to the Moloch Temple.

TAM;)
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The Moloch Temple comes pre-fabbed. We started doing it that way when the NWO started the current building craze in the late 1990's. We just site-adapt the utilities and plug in the rest.
 
Zep said:
Yeah, I did read that previously, thanks.

What I mean is: Is it some sort of issue that a building of that size takes 4 years to build? Is that too fast? Too slow? I'm no architect or construction engineer, but that doesn't sound like an unreasonable build time compared to other structures of similar size...
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Once the project gets going, you can complete a floor every 2-4 days if you have the job staged right. There's alot of interior and foundation work to be done also, but the main structure can be finished fast.

For design time, it really depends on when in 2002 it was started. If it was early 2002, then the job was almost certainly a "design-build" job. In other words, the engineers take a good educated guess at what the loads on the foundation will be, and then start construction on the foundation while doing the superstructure above. If it was late 2002, then there was really no rush for the design.
 
AZCat said:
The Moloch Temple comes pre-fabbed. We started doing it that way when the NWO started the current building craze in the late 1990's. We just site-adapt the utilities and plug in the rest.
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you should see the mkIIIs they are testing now, modelled after the MCVs from command and conquer, drive into an area, double click and in 2 seconds you got your building, double click again and you can drive away
 
Just for reference, I recall that the PANYNJ film about the WTC tower(s) stated that they were going up at a rate of 3 stories every 10 days.
 
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Well of course Newton is right, you can have 2-4 day cycle times, but this is not typical. For the most part you're gonna see a 5 day cycle on a building like WTC 7, and a crew to match. Someone just stated that they were running 3 stories every 10 days, which is exceptionally fast and more unusual. This does not give the slab much time to cure, unless a quick set up concrete was used. Plus a 3.333 day cycle time screws up your deliveries and trades guys. I can see why someone may find it unusual if they saw 3 stories every 10 days, but not conspiratorial.
 
yes...but I think? the 3 storeys in 10 days, is in reference to the original WTCs, where as the CTs are in a fluff about the construction time of the new WTC7...IIRC.

TAM:)
 
uk_dave said:
Probably something Architect could dash off on the back of a fag packet while doing the highland fling...or whatever it is scots do for pleasure.
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Probably tossing the caber....



minds out of the gutter folks, minds out of the gutter.
 
T.A.M. said:
yes...but I think? the 3 storeys in 10 days, is in reference to the original WTCs, where as the CTs are in a fluff about the construction time of the new WTC7...IIRC.

TAM:)
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lol, you're probably right TAM, considering the WTC had three story tall columns it would be hard not to build 3 at a time.
 
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