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Would pro-colonialists support this?

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Okay, so there's a sentiment among certain people that European imperialism was ultimately good become before Europe, the native people were "savages" or "primitive". I wonder if these people would be supportive of a extraterrestrial empire that colonized earth. Certainly aliens with star trek like civilization could look down on earthlings as "savages" and primitives".
 
Jerrymander said:
Okay, so there's a sentiment among certain people that European imperialism was ultimately good become before Europe, the native people were "savages" or "primitive". I wonder if these people would be supportive of a extraterrestrial empire that colonized earth. Certainly aliens with star trek like civilization could look down on earthlings as "savages" and primitives".
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Or man-animals?
 
I don't really see colonialism as "good" so much as I see as.. inevitable. The two major continental landmasses simply where not going to stay hidden from each other forever and were simply going to come into contact with each other when one or both were in a certain state of technology and social development and from the moment that first contact happen... well guns, germs, and steel pretty much wrote the story at that point.
 
Jerrymander said:
Okay, so there's a sentiment among certain people that European imperialism was ultimately good
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Are these certain people white supremacists? I haven't seen this argument made by anyone who wasn't already a racist.

Can you provide citations?
 
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I explained in my post. You know what I'm talking about. Do you have a point?
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Ooh! Oooh! Pick me! Pick me!


I want to make the point someone else made. Just who are these pro-colonialists you're speaking of? I mean, we can't really ask Rudyard Kipling, and most of the Colonel Blimp types in the Order of the Old Asia Hands that I know have died off. I met a brigadier, recently returned from Zimbabwe, but that was in '81, and I'm pretty sure he's dead.

Most people look at the colonial era and piece it together of its various components. No one (don't care what they say) actually set sail to civilize the heathens and bring them to Jesus. That was justification to get church(es) support. They were in it for the money and the possible new territories. That "white man's burden" crap came later, when they needed to justify occupying and conquering the foreign lands. The Spanish and Portuguese sent out priests for the benefit of the sailors and soldiers. They figured they would establish trading centers, not convert the locals.

We have a couple of members who might actually argue White Man's Burden with you (a Mr. McPhee and a Mr. Tank come to mind), but it's largely a straw man. We've learned enough about the cultures that we bulldozed into oblivion to not believe that patent lie. This is not to say that all missionary groups were in support of conquest and exploitation. There are still missionary groups active today. As an atheist I kinda wish there weren't but that's based on my personal beliefs. None of them, to my knowledge, are the least involved in British East India Company type exploitation. They are peddling their religious posies.
 
Jerrymander said:
See post number 9.
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Prager (let's leave off the U because they ain't) is just a conservative site with a bunch of clickers working for them (their student body as they used to refer to them) to forward their nonsense.

As I said, we don't have a lot of people here willing to take the WMB side of the argument, I fear. Neither does Prager. Their job is to promote a conservative agenda. Notice the broad swaths of history they leave out? The British behavior in India was largely reprehensible and is largely indefensible. The crown and parliament of the time just let the EIC run amok as long as they delivered revenues to the country. Hell, I don't know a thinking person in England today that would allow a commercial entity to field its own police force and army.

Professor Whatisname III also does not try to justify the bad. He's just twisting a little history to only acknowledge the good.
 
Jerrymander said:
Okay, so there's a sentiment among certain people that European imperialism was ultimately good become before Europe, the native people were "savages" or "primitive". I wonder if these people would be supportive of a extraterrestrial empire that colonized earth. Certainly aliens with star trek like civilization could look down on earthlings as "savages" and primitives".
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Since I am not a pro-colonialist, and I do not know anyone who is a pro-colonialist, then I have no idea of how a pro-colonialist would answer your question.

Therefore, I suggest that you find some pro-colonialists and ask them your question.
 
Hmm, I remember that "1066 and all that" made the point that it was a jolly good thing that the Romans colonized us. But I suspect that part of it being a good thing was dependent on it happening to us-then, not us-now.
 
Jerrymander said:
Okay, so there's a sentiment among certain people that European imperialism was ultimately good become before Europe, the native people were "savages" or "primitive". I wonder if these people would be supportive of a extraterrestrial empire that colonized earth. Certainly aliens with star trek like civilization could look down on earthlings as "savages" and primitives".
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You can answer your own question by defining "ultimately good."

What do you mean?
 
Jerrymander said:
Okay, so there's a sentiment among certain people that European imperialism was ultimately good become before Europe, the native people were "savages" or "primitive"..........
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What does this mean? OK, it doesn't mean anything. Let me re-phrase: what did you try to say?

As to the red, bold.......this includes people who were the subject of colonialism. In Africa and India there are plenty of people who wish for the return of the British as rulers. It is trivially easy to find locals who see empire as a good thing, and with the corruption and poor governance of large parts of the world, they have a point. Of course, this is also true of people in former Soviet states, and people who wanted Saddam Hussein or Colonel Ghaddafi back in power.
 
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