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William Rodriguez journeys

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Citing a disagreement with Rodriguez's political views, the Graythwaite Manor Hotel (England) announced today that he is no longer allowed to stay there- he was also scheduled to speak there tonight, but has moved that engagement to another location.

What struck me as most odd was the response from Rodriguez:

I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can't even say a word.

The irony hurts.

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=517168
 
I'm sure the boys at the local mosque will lend an ear.

But only if he blames the Jooos.
 
Hmmm. Not sure how I feel about this one. Unless there's some good reason to suspect that Rodriguez's presence in the hotel will cause a ruckus (and apparently he's not giving a speech there, but elsewhere, then I'm a little uncomfortable with it while standing up for the owner's right to refuse service to him. Banning somebody from a hotel for their political views is not the same as banning them for their race.
 
Totovader,
Has the story of him being not allowed to stay there been verified? Published anywhere? Not doubting your veracity - you've always got solid information.

It just sounds strange. Only in William's mind is he so important that someone would ban him from their premises. Maybe his credit card was bad?
 
Note from the linked article:

He was due back at the hotel tonight and tomorrow night as the guest of owners Jimmy and Jane Duncan.

In a statement Graythwaite Manor Hotel said: "After careful consideration, the new management of Graythwaite Manor Hotel has decided to postpone William Rodriguez visit to the hotel due to his political views.

A google search on Graythwaite Manor Hotel turned up that the [current?] owner is: Auchlochan Trust. Seems to tally with the "new management" idea.

As for the new owners, Auchlochan Trust, I found this snippet:
“The Auchlochan Trust, a charitable trust recognised as one of highest quality care providers in Scotland,..."

Source: http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2005/04/05/newsstory6982790t0.asp
 
Totovader,
Has the story of him being not allowed to stay there been verified? Published anywhere? Not doubting your veracity - you've always got solid information.

It just sounds strange. Only in William's mind is he so important that someone would ban him from their premises. Maybe his credit card was bad?

Besides that one article- no, I didn't see any reason to doubt it, though.

To us it's a pretty big story- but to the rest of the world, it may only be covered in small-town papers.
 
To us it's a pretty big story- but to the rest of the world, it may only be covered in small-town papers.

If you mean by "us", the CT and skeptic crowd, I disagree that it's even a big story in our neck of the woods.

He's just another CT nut trying to spin his 15 seconds of fame into a business. I congratulate anyone who steps up and says, in effect, "not in my house."

I also think it's funny that he can't seem to understand why the third world countries are much more open minded than the Brits, Americans, etc. LOL.
 
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Citing a disagreement with Rodriguez's political views, the Graythwaite Manor Hotel (England) announced today that he is no longer allowed to stay there- he was also scheduled to speak there tonight, but has moved that engagement to another location.

What struck me as most odd was the response from Rodriguez:



The irony hurts.

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=517168

Really Odd indeed since I never spoke with the reporter. He took a quote from years ago and pasted it on his article. The good thing is that we indeed had one of the biggest event there due to the controversy. I am also in contact with the manager of the Hotel and no hard feelings on either part. Good came out from this, better than we expected.
Picture will be posted later of the full audience from the video shot.


William Rodriguez Escape Artist
http://911stories.googlepages.com/home
 
Really Odd indeed since I never spoke with the reporter. He took a quote from years ago and pasted it on his article. The good thing is that we indeed had one of the biggest event there due to the controversy. I am also in contact with the manager of the Hotel and no hard feelings on either part. Good came out from this, better than we expected.
Picture will be posted later of the full audience from the video shot.


William Rodriguez Escape Artist
http://911stories.googlepages.com/home
I am still waiting for your reason that the SYP let you verify Jackchit was arrested while they refused to answer a legal FOI request. Have you fully stepped in woo now?
 
I am still waiting for your reason that the SYP let you verify Jackchit was arrested while they refused to answer a legal FOI request. Have you fully stepped in woo now?

You are waiting? who gave you the power to request explanations from me?
Why don't you do your own research by getting into a car and go over there yourself as I did. For your information, I did not know who in the world was Jackchit until that day
 
You are waiting? who gave you the power to request explanations from me?
Why don't you do your own research by getting into a car and go over there yourself as I did. For your information, I did not know who in the world was Jackchit until that day
When someone slings what I consider a lie, I ask them to back it up. They always can refuse but that just cements the fasct of their lie to me. So are you going to answer or are you just going to prove to me you are a liar? Although Chillzero and I aren't what you would call the best of friends I see no reason for her to lie about the FOI request but I do see plenty of reason for you to lie....what's it going to be?
 
When someone slings what I consider a lie, I ask them to back it up. They always can refuse but that just cements the fasct of their lie to me. So are you going to answer or are you just going to prove to me you are a liar? Although Chillzero and I aren't what you would call the best of friends I see no reason for her to lie about the FOI request but I do see plenty of reason for you to lie....what's it going to be?

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I learned a lot here. Go and do your research yourself. I have a presentation to do in couple of minutes. later




William Rodriguez, Escape artist.
 
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Citing a disagreement with Rodriguez's political views, the Graythwaite Manor Hotel (England) announced today that he is no longer allowed to stay there- he was also scheduled to speak there tonight, but has moved that engagement to another location.

What struck me as most odd was the response from Rodriguez:
That's an old quote, about the U.S. Of course, no one has stopped Rodriguez from telling his story. Rodriguez did have a speaking engagement canceled by a hotel in England that had supposedly received a complaint about the behavior of a truther who was promoting the engagement.

Hmmm. Not sure how I feel about this one. Unless there's some good reason to suspect that Rodriguez's presence in the hotel will cause a ruckus (and apparently he's not giving a speech there, but elsewhere, then I'm a little uncomfortable with it while standing up for the owner's right to refuse service to him. Banning somebody from a hotel for their political views is not the same as banning them for their race.
This is a tricky one. It's a very small, posh hotel in a very small town, and I can understand the owners making a personal decision to ban Rodriguez. I would also understand it if they had received a complaint and said, "Sorry, the political views of our guests are none of our business, or yours."

$140 for a single at the Graythwaite. Not exactly a Travelodge. No wonder Rodriguez wouldn't answer when I asked him who was funding this tour.

Some quotes from that article that stuck in my craw (bolding mine):

Mr Rodriguez, a former janitor credited with saving countless lives on 9/11, is due to give a talk on his experiences at the Victoria Hall in Grange tonight (july 5) as part of his European lecture tour.
Yes, credited by himself, as I credit myself with owning 100 shares of Berkshire Hathaway.

Penny Pullen, from the peace group, said it was unclear to her why Mr Rodriguez would not be staying at the hotel....

Mr Rodriguez does not present political views. He just presents his story and it’s up to everyone to do their research and find out what is the truth for themselves.”
Gravy vomits in his mouth a little.

Regarded as a hero Rodriguez, who saved many lives on that fateful day...
Still waiting for a tally. William?

I am still waiting for your reason that the SYP let you verify Jackchit was arrested while they refused to answer a legal FOI request. Have you fully stepped in woo now?
I can assure you that Jason Holmes was not arrested.

My bold.

Oh what a give-away!
Yes, he's putting on a magic show. "See the truth disappear before your very eyes!"
 
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Really Odd indeed since I never spoke with the reporter.

That isn't odd at all- unless you're a conspiracist and you want to try to use some of those quotes to your advantage (ie, "pull it").

He took a quote from years ago and pasted it on his article.

So you were referring to the US? How, exactly, have you been censored in the US?

The good thing is that we indeed had one of the biggest event there due to the controversy.

By what standards?

I am also in contact ith the manager of the Hotel and no hard feelings on either part. Good came out from this, better than we expected.

I really don't care. "Good"- to you- is different than what is morally or objectively good. I do not consider lying to be "good", even if it does benefit you personally.

Picture will be posted later of the full audience from the video shot.

There's no need to bother. We're all very much aware of your character and your desire to rub it in other peoples faces that you're "the man".

I'd much rather see some kind of a response to questions, or some of the promises you had made to speak to us in a formal manner.

We all know that won't happen- so instead... you post pictures proving you can lie to a large number of people at once? No thanks.


I can see that you're pouting- but don't you think it would be a bit more effective if you instead posted a response to Gravy's site, instead of just pretend like you're not afraid of it. The fact that you lack a response seems to indicate to me that you're terrified of the truth.
 
That isn't odd at all- unless you're a conspiracist and you want to try to use some of those quotes to your advantage (ie, "pull it").

pull out


So you were referring to the US? How, exactly, have you been censored in the US?

read Gravy's site

By what standards?
yours


I really don't care. "Good"- to you- is different than what is morally or objectively good. I do not consider lying to be "good", even if it does benefit you personally.

a matter of semantics of course.

There's no need to bother. We're all very much aware of your character and your desire to rub it in other peoples faces that you're "the man".
Your words not mine
I'd much rather see some kind of a response to questions, or some of the promises you had made to speak to us in a formal manner.
you missed out when I tried and yes, you were one of those atacking me
We all know that won't happen- so instead... you post pictures proving you can lie to a large number of people at once? No thanks.

so you do not want to see the video or the pictures, but instead want to point the initial part of the story? way to go

I can see that you're pouting- but don't you think it would be a bit more effective if you instead posted a response to Gravy's site, instead of just pretend like you're not afraid of it. The fact that you lack a response seems to indicate to me that you're terrified of the truth.

Terrified? hhahaha don't make me laugh. I choose who to answer, when to answer. Thank you Gravy and keep it coming, your attacks have been seen and people can choose what side to take. Their opinion. I also learned to enjoy and make the best of this and use your tirade proactively. Even sending them to my list of families in the group. They visited and comented on the threads. I am still fighting for them in a lot of issues and will not stop because you do not agree with it. My opinions , my experience and my approach.

You do not like it? get together a group of survivors and do your own show-presentation-demostration-exhibition-fair.


William Rodriguez Escape Artist
 
Hi William. I'd like to take the liberty of telling you a little story about myself. It's a very ordinary story, the kind that has happened to many, many people over the years. But its very ordinariness plays a crucial part in the point I hope to make.

Years ago, when I was in college, a group of us went camping. Some of us were fairly experienced campers, while others were total greenhorns. One of the greenhorns and I were sleeping by the campfire. Suddenly, I woke up to the sound of screaming. When I opened my eyes, my first impression was that I was on fire -- there were flames everywhere around me, all over the ground. It looked like I was in the center of some sort of sacrificial ritual. Then I looked over and saw someone entirely in flames. His shirt was ablaze, so was his hair, and he was waving his flaming hands all around like some macabre version of the Human Torch.

For a moment I wanted to run, go save myself, get away from all the fire around me. Then something I never knew was there kicked in -- I leaped out of my sleeping bag, snatched it off the ground, and jumped on my companion, finally smothering the fire that was burning him up. I then put out the flaming can of Coleman Lantern fuel (the poor fool had tried to restart the campfire by pouring it directly onto the glowing coals) and finally stamped out the scattered pools of fire that had nearly set me ablaze. The whole thing was over in maybe 15 seconds.

Afterwards, as we drove the burn victim to the hospital, a couple of my friends told me that I was something of a minor hero, having saved a life with some quick action, arguably while in some personal danger. It was cool for about 15 minutes. And then it was over. And all these years, I've never bothered to mention this story to anyone, until right this moment. Why should I? Ultimately, whatever role I played in saving my friend's life was absolutely secondary to the fact that he successfully recovered without lasting injuries.

By now I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at. All over the place, every day, we walk by people whose personal histories include stories like mine, many vastly more impressive and meaningful, incidents of courage and quick thinking in the face of personal danger. But they don't define their lives by it; they did what was required of them at the moment, and then they got on with their lives. Forgive my presumption, but isn't it possible that there's something to be learned by their example?
 
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