Wikipedia and AGW

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Does anyone else have a problem with this?

In short, climate scientists created Realclimate (no surprise there) for their self indulgence, mutual ego stroking and selective science, but then placed a staff member on to write or rewrite (hijack?) over 5000 Wikipedia articles on climate science.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...wikipedia-s-climate-doctor.aspx#ixzz0aApCEqRz


As we now know from the Climategate Emails, this band [of Climategate scientists] saw the Medieval Warm Period as an enormous obstacle in their mission of spreading the word about global warming. If temperatures were warmer 1,000 years ago than today, the Climategate Emails explain in detail, their message that we now live in the warmest of all possible times would be undermined…

With the help of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the highest climate change authority of all, they published what became the icon of their movement — the hockey stick graph. This icon showed temperatures in the last 1,000 years to have been stable — no Medieval Warm Period, not even the Little Ice Age of a few centuries ago.

But the UN’s official verdict that the Medieval Warm Period had not existed did not erase the countless schoolbooks, encyclopedias, and other scholarly sources that claimed it had. Rewriting those would take decades, time that the band members didn’t have if they were to save the globe from warming.

Instead, the band members turned to their friends in the media and to the blogosphere, creating a website called RealClimate.org. “The idea is that we working climate scientists should have a place where we can mount a rapid response to supposedly ‘bombshell’ papers that are doing the rounds” in aid of “combating dis-information,” one email explained… One person in the nine-member Realclimate.org team — U.K. scientist and Green Party activist William Connolley — would take on particularly crucial duties.

Connolley took control of all things climate in the most used information source the world has ever known – Wikipedia. Starting in February 2003, ... Connolley set to work on the Wikipedia site. He rewrote Wikipedia’s articles on global warming, on the greenhouse effect, on the instrumental temperature record, on the urban heat island, on climate models, on global cooling. On Feb. 14, he began to erase the Little Ice Age; on Aug.11, the Medieval Warm Period. In October, he turned his attention to the hockey stick graph. He rewrote articles on the politics of global warming and on the scientists who were skeptical of the band. Richard Lindzen and Fred Singer, two of the world’s most distinguished climate scientists, were among his early targets, followed by others that the band especially hated, such as Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, authorities on the Medieval Warm Period.

All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual impunity. When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred — over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions… In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement.
 
Why would anyone be upset that reputable scientists with extensive publication and citation records would take the time to help with something like Wikipedia?
 
No it's a criticism of the op. I just don't care for the anti-science crowd
 
There are over 5000 pages about climate science on wikipedia? That seems high. Or did he sometimes change pages about other topics, like maybe he's a big fan of Buffy.

For what it's worth, an expert in a field editing/creating pages about that field is sort of the goal of wikipedia. Unless you'd rather the pages be written by people who only think they know what they're talking about.
 
He says that he "doesn't care for the anti science crowd".

Frankly I would have thought that the sort of manipulation and propoganda mentioned in the report was extremely anti science.
So is he anti the OP and the writer of the article or, is he anti the realclimate people and person 'controlling' Wikipedia?
 
You do know Connolley has been given the flick by Wikipedia?
 
No I didn't.
The article is dated the 19th December. When was he sacked?

Whether historical or current, on the face of it, this is still some outrageous manipulation.
 
First article

Wikipedia announced that it has fired its long time climate editor William Connolley, . Connolley,a software engineer and host at RealClimate, a left- wing AGW site that relentlessly punishes AGW skeptics and lavishly praises alarmists, has been found to have changed over 5,000 Wikipedia articles to promote AGW catastrophic speculation.

He has been observed altering history, most prominetly by removing the Medieval Warming Period. But he also has been found to have described the careers and accomplishments of AGW skeptics in the most unflattering way.

Second

In September 2009, the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee revoked Mr. Connolley’s administrator status after finding that he misused his administrative privileges
 
I'd say it overstates the power that any one user can have on a hotly debated topic on wikipedia.
 
Some more statistics...

All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles.
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over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions.

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When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand.
 
AAA, here is the very first sentence from your OP link:

The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

Since that is horribly wrong, I don't give credence to the rest of the article.
 
Some more statistics...
All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles.


I had a quick look at the contributions using the link kindly provided by gtc and that statistic seems to be completely bunk.

I wouldn't consider this kind of pages as "articles" (and they comprise the vast majority):

Talk:Scientific opinion on climate change
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard
Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2009/Feedback
User talk:Glenfarclas

And as of "created or rewrote", I have edited wikipedia articles and know what an edit is. Just to be clear, adding a comma is also an edit. Of the pages that aren't talk pages, I had a look at one at random to see what kind of edits he does (Climate change on 14 of December 2009).

His last "rewrite" are 3 edits in succession. The first one changes
(see [[global warming]]). For information on temperature measurements over various periods, and the data sources available, see [[temperature record]]. For attribution of climate change over the past century, see [[attribution of recent climate change]]

into
It may be qualified as [[anthropogenic]] climate change, more generally known as [[global warming]].

It seems to be a simplification of the article, and a good one at that. Refers to the same topic with much more elegance. You don't need to refer on the definition to articles of temperature records and the presumed cause. His edit improves the article.

The second edit:
Factors that can shape climate are often called [[climate forcing]]s.

into

Factors that can shape climate are [[climate forcing]]s

A style correction that does not change the meaning.

And the third edit changes this

The former is similar to solar variations in that there is a change to the power input from the sun to the Earth system. The latter is due to how the orbital variations affect when and where sunlight is received by the Earth.

into

There is very little change to the area-averaged annually-averaged sunshine; but there can be strong changes in the geographical and seasonal distrubution.

That also seems to me more of a style correction than content correction.

So, if you look at the revisions:

Something between 10 and 20% seem to be for real articles, the rest for discussion pages.

He makes quick edits of a couple of words, adds links and reverses vandalism often, adding to that number. He does not change all the things he wants to change in an article at the same time, so that number greatly overestimates the number of articles "rewritten" (those 3 edits would count as 3, instead of only one, even if done the same day to the same article in a 15 minute period)

On the real articles rewritten, most changes seem make the article more readable instead of changing the content. I'm sure he has changed the content at some point, but I couldn't find an example in a superficial look.

So it seems to me that the number is completely bunk.

Some more statistics...
over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions.

After seeing how the created and rewrote claim fared, I would actually need some kind of proof before assuming those contributors were not vandals or spammers (the main causes of being blocked from Wikipedia).

When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand.

Again, after seeing how the created and rewrote claim fared, I would like some example before assuming the articles removed were genuine articles that followed the policy of Wikipedia. I would think inappropriate long titles, too specific subjects (a person not well known, for example) or things like that cannot be considered censure. I haven't found a single instance of request from deletion, so he doesn't seem to make a habit out of it.

And by the way, after seeing his contributions, it seems to me that he is a valuable Wikipedia contributor, that he is more or less courteous but enters heated discussions and that he seems to be arguing on the talk pages much more than modifying articles. Seeing that, I actually fail to be outraged by him. An specific example instead of vague claims of his perfidy would actually work wonders.
 

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