Wieck Chickens Out

[TruthSeeker1234]

After first agreeing to moderate the debate between me and Frank Greening, Ron Wieck has now officially chickened out. It remains to be seen whether or not Greening will back down.

On 2/24/07, Ron Wieck said to me:

Hardfire has no budget for compensating guests. If you want to cover Dr. Greening's travel expenses, I'll do my damndest to put both of you on the show.

Ron

Then, still speaking as if the show was going to happen, Ron began setting some boundries:

You do understand that I will not permit any "no-planes" idiocy on the show.

I agreed to not bring up the planes, as they are irrelevant to debunking Greening. But really, Ron, your intellectual cowardice could not be more obvious. Clearly your intent in having me on the show would be to discredit 9/11 truth. If the "no planes" theory is really "idiocy", seems you'd want to air it, just to make me look bad. The truth is, the plane crash videos are fake as hell, and you are scared to death of a TV audience actually being shown them, slowed down, frame by frame, and having the crash physics explained.

Ron attempted to defend NIST's failure to study the "collapses" with this analogy:

If a bowling ball is suspended over a balsa wood structure, all interest is on the mechanism that caused the bowling ball to be released. THAT is the issue worth debating. You are trying, unsuccessfully, to claim, that there is some controversy over what happens when the bowling ball is released. There isn't.

I pointed out that a better analogy would be a bowling ball falling into a stack of bowling balls, or balsa wood falling into a balsa wood frame. Eventually, Ron devolved into pure ad-hominems, calling me "mentally ill", "clinically insane" etc.

So I'll wait to hear from Greening, to see if he's getting cold feet or not. Perhaps there is a little TV studio in Hamilton College.

 

[beachnut]

Why would anyone call you clinically insane? If you want to believe WTC steel evaporated in the air as it was falling, that does not make you nuts, or insane. If you want to believe the WTC steel vaporized as it fell you should not be called nuts. Who thinks someone should be called insane who has the inside track on steel vaporization?

 

[JAStewart]

lol @ truth movement

 

[stateofgrace]

I agreed to not bring up the planes, as they are irrelevant to debunking Greening. But really, Ron, your intellectual cowardice could not be more obvious. Clearly your intent in having me on the show would be to discredit 9/11 truth. If the "no planes" theory is really "idiocy", seems you'd want to air it, just to make me look bad. The truth is, the plane crash videos are fake as hell, and you are scared to death of a TV audience actually being shown them, slowed down, frame by frame, and having the crash physics explained.

Ron devolved into pure ad-hominems, calling me "mentally ill", "clinically insane" etc.

I wonder why.

 

[hellaeon]

No planes, nuclear bombs, pulverisation and Death Beams.

* chuckle *

ahhh the truth movement.

 

[CHF]

Yes TS - no planers are mentally ill.

If the debate isn't going to happen, you should be very thankful.

 

[LashL]

As you should know by now, "Ace", around here you have to provide evidence, so you will have to provide the exchange that you're talking about in its entirety - rather than just your interpretation of it. For very good reason, folks here are not big on accepting your interpretation of things - anything - at face value.

Edit to add: And I highly doubt that Ron, or anyone else for that matter, is afraid of you.

 

[Alt+F4]

The truth is, the plane crash videos are fake as hell.

Everytime you post this lie, I will keep responding:

I SAW THE SECOND PLANE CRASH INTO THE SOUTH TOWER OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. I DID NOT SEE THIS ON TELEVISION, I SAW THIS WITH MY OWN EYES.

 

[CHF]

Everytime you post this lie, I will keep responding:

I SAW THE SECOND PLANE CRASH INTO THE SOUTH TOWER OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. I DID NOT SEE THIS ON TELEVISION, I SAW THIS WITH MY OWN EYES.

They planted micro chips in your eyes. It's the most obvious and logical explanation. Right, Ace?

 

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234
TruthSeeker1234;2444159]After first agreeing to moderate the debate between me and Frank Greening, Ron Wieck has now officially chickened out. It remains to be seen whether or not Greening will back down.

On 2/24/07, Ron Wieck said to me:



Then, still speaking as if the show was going to happen, Ron began setting some boundries:

I agreed to not bring up the planes, as they are irrelevant to debunking Greening. But really, Ron, your intellectual cowardice could not be more obvious. Clearly your intent in having me on the show would be to discredit 9/11 truth.
If the "no planes" theory is really "idiocy", seems you'd want to air it, just to make me look bad. The truth is, the plane crash videos are fake as hell, and you are scared to death of a TV audience actually being shown them, slowed down, frame by frame, and having the crash physics explained.

You are, to repeat, insane. Thousands of New Yorkers did not rely on videos; they WATCHED a plane fly into a building. You have demonstrated convincingly that you are incompetent to explain the physics of anything. Perhaps you'd care to run your ignorance by our resident experts and explain to them why the planes didn't exist? Why not give it a shot? Nothing they say will make a dent in you.

Ron attempted to defend NIST's failure to study the "collapses" with this analogy:

NIST did not fail to study the collapses. They published in ten thousand pages the results of their study. You are incapable of pointing to a single error in the NIST Report.

I pointed out that a better analogy would be a bowling ball falling into a stack of bowling balls, or balsa wood falling into a balsa wood frame. Eventually, Ron devolved into pure ad-hominems, calling me "mentally ill", "clinically insane" etc.

So I'll wait to hear from Greening, to see if he's getting cold feet or not. Perhaps there is a little TV studio in Hamilton College
.

I have rejected Ace Baker for a simple reason. He is totally unqualified to engage in public debate with a real scientist, as he has demonstrated redundantly in this forum. He is, of course, entitled to avail himself of the traditional loser's whine that his deficiencies, intellectual and psychological, played no role in the decision to waste no further time on him: he is an unappreciated genius with vast knowledge of subjects he has never studied. People who can show the real experts a thing or two are, in their own minds, forever being thwarted by the cowardice of the establishment.

Ace writes that "eventually Ron devolved into pure ad-hominems" [sic]. Well, yes, after reading several pages of give-and-take in which Ace paraded his invincible ignorance and ignored every crushing blow to his fantasies struck by real scientists, I determined that he is mentally ill. He pretends to argue, but does something quite different. After one of his garbled interpretations of data has been untangled and corrected, he re-phrases it and tries again. One grows tired of counting the number of times he has been told that NIST did not say there was no pancaking. No one can be that dense. He is quite mad.

I will not create a spectacle that features a raving lunatic ignoring every point the real scientist makes. Ace entered this forum to show what he has. The result is in: He has absolutely nothing.

 

[T.A.M.]

I am glad you dropped it Ron, I hope Greening does as well. Save Greening for a Gordon Ross or a Stephen Jones, or someone with more than a Reader's Digest version of the science of 9/11.

TAM

 

[Alareth]

I missed it, did Greening ever get his registration issues here resolved?

 

[pomeroo]

[=Alareth;2444392]I missed it, did Greening ever get his registration issues here resolved?

There's a strange development here. Dr. Greening says that Ace sent him a document that contained a virus. His computer is now messed up.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

lol @ truth movement

It's like American Idol compared to Mozart, innit?

 

[Horatius]

I have rejected Ace Baker for a simple reason. He is totally unqualified to engage in public debate with a real scientist, as he has demonstrated redundantly in this forum. He is, of course, entitled to avail himself of the traditional loser's whine that his deficiencies, intellectual and psychological, played no role in the decision to waste no further time on him: he is an unappreciated genius with vast knowledge of subjects he has never studied. People who can show the real experts a thing or two are, in their own minds, forever being thwarted by the cowardice of the establishment.

Ace writes that "eventually Ron devolved into pure ad-hominems" [sic]. Well, yes, after reading several pages of give-and-take in which Ace paraded his invincible ignorance and ignored every crushing blow to his fantasies struck by real scientists, I determined that he is mentally ill. He pretends to argue, but does something quite different. After one of his garbled interpretations of data has been untangled and corrected, he re-phrases it and tries again. One grows tired of counting the number of times he has been told that NIST did not say there was no pancaking. No one can be that dense. He is quite mad.

I will not create a spectacle that features a raving lunatic ignoring every point the real scientist makes. Ace entered this forum to show what he has. The result is in: He has absolutely nothing.

Not that Ace will pay attention or anything, but in addition to the clearly expressed reasons for withdrawing from this freak show in the making, we must also remember that Mr. Wieck hosted the debates between Gravy and the Loose Change duo. So clearly he is not "afraid" of allowing twoofers to speak on his show.

 

[DavidJames]

I don't believe Ace is insane. I think he's an attention whore desperately seeking his 15 minutes of fame. He'll say anything to get a reaction.

 

[hellaeon]

I think Ace is an attention whore as well. He repeats the same stuff over and over and now just starts thread after thread attacking people.

Check out his avatar now - big bad anarchist. Low and behold, now resorting to sending viruses to people.

Something is a major failure in his life and its everyones fault.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

No Virus, December 31, 1969 is a known Mac thing

I did not send anyone a virus. My Mac IBook battery was dying, after 400+ recharges. Everytime the battery went down, the system clock would reset to December 31, 1969. I was resetting the clock manually all the time. I sent Greening an email (no attachments) with my clock set to December 31, 1969.

Ace,

What's with the date?

Here's how professional engineer, Dr. John Durkee, writing in Controlled
Environments Magazine in December 2003 sees it:

"In eleven seconds, the fall of each tower generated crushing mechanical
forces and extreme heat .... Molten aluminum, iron and other molten metals
expelled into the air by the force of the collapse formed into spherical
balls as they cooled and fell back to the ground."

http://www.cemag.us/articles.asp?pid=399

Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ace Baker" <ace@acebaker.com>
To: "greening" <greening@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 7:35 PM
Subject: Experiment


> Frank -
>
> I'd like to conduct a simple experiment to test your hypothesis that the
> dust streams the come from so much of the falling steel were caused by
> pulverized drywall/concrete/fireproofing. I'm calling this the "Drafting
> Drywall Dust" hypothesis.
>
> I propose getting a steel beam, or other solid heavy object, and attaching
> some dust to it, then throwing it over a cliff to see what happens. What
> materials/methods do you suggest would give us the highest chance of
> recreating the effect observed so often on 9/11?
>
> Thank You.
>

I then got another mail from Greening that said:

Wednesday, December 31, 1969 is a well-known virus.

Why?

Again, there were no attachements to any emails I sent to Greening, or Wieck. Here is a link to a blog, where another mac user had exactly the same thing happen, clock sets to December 31, 1969:

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Feb/bma20030217018695.htm

And here's another:

http://www.ilenesmachine.com/macos/osxrelease.shtml

And another:

http://www.bersearch.com/MacOSXSoftware/MacOSXSystemUtilities/MacOSXSystemUtilities.html

 

[hellaeon]

I did not send anyone a virus...

If this is true, I take back the last part about you sending viruses through malice - I was wrong.

I still think you post the nonsense you do purposefully.

I think we have reached a major turning point though regarding this virus. Look at your post...your backing up your arguement with real world facts.

Is there hope?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Not that Ace will pay attention or anything, but in addition to the clearly expressed reasons for withdrawing from this freak show in the making, we must also remember that Mr. Wieck hosted the debates between Gravy and the Loose Change duo. So clearly he is not "afraid" of allowing twoofers to speak on his show.

He is afraid of allowing the evidence to be shown.