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Why Trump will be reelected

Trebuchet

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Why trump will be reelected

1. The Democratic Party. Around 90 years ago Will Rodgers said “I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” Still true.
2. The Republican Party. Absolutely monolithic in its devotion to Trump.
3. Socialism. The current front-runner is a self described socialist. But it's not just Bernie, the R's will use that scare word for any candidate. And a vast number of Americans don't understand what it is. As in the first post of this thread.
4. Toxic Bernie-Bro culture. There are not that many of the toxic ones, but they are very vocal.
5. Fox News. They have no shame and will lie about anything to help the Republican party.
6. Cheating. In addition to the ongoing Republican efforts to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters, the Russians are already busy, and Trump is already working hard to cover it up.
7. Impeachment. I think it was a dumb idea. Trump will run on how exonerated he is.
8. Prejudice. Against immigrants, brown people, women, and LGBT people. A lot more folks harbor subtle prejudices than you probably think.
9. Gullibility. Trump fans willingly believe anything he says; anything they here on Fox News or Breitbart. But it's not the fans that are the problem; it's the folks in the middle who are susceptible to the lies when they get repeated often enough.
The USA is totally screwed.
 
Here come the nitpicks:

Trebuchet said:
2. The Republican Party. Absolutely monolithic in its devotion to Trump.
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I question whether the devotion is actually monolithic or if it the behavior is monolithic. It probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme if those Republicans who don't show devotion to Trump are berated and punished by the rest. See Romney.

Trebuchet said:
4. Toxic Bernie-Bro culture. There are not that many of the toxic ones, but they are very vocal.
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No nitpick. You're not wrong. From my perspective, there is much in common between Trump's supporters and Bernie's.

Trebuchet said:
7. Impeachment. I think it was a dumb idea.
Trump will run on how exonerated he is.
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He may run on it, in part, but I'm not convinced it will make a difference in the long run.


Okay, just one nitpick.
 
10. Strategy
In the medium to longer term, the Democratic Party is much better off losing to Trump in 2020 and using this to regain all of Congress in 2022, at which point they Impeach Trump.
If Trump loses, he will just run for the next four years, making any bipartisan effort impossible.
If Trump and the GOP are still there to face the consequences of the Trump policies, and more Trump scandals become undeniable, Dems will crush the GOP in 2024 and might keep both branches of government well beyond 2028.
 
Trebuchet said:
Why trump will be reelected

1. The Democratic Party. Around 90 years ago Will Rodgers said “I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” Still true.
2. The Republican Party. Absolutely monolithic in its devotion to Trump.
3. Socialism. The current front-runner is a self described socialist. But it's not just Bernie, the R's will use that scare word for any candidate. And a vast number of Americans don't understand what it is. As in the first post of this thread.
4. Toxic Bernie-Bro culture. There are not that many of the toxic ones, but they are very vocal.
5. Fox News. They have no shame and will lie about anything to help the Republican party.
6. Cheating. In addition to the ongoing Republican efforts to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters, the Russians are already busy, and Trump is already working hard to cover it up.
7. Impeachment. I think it was a dumb idea. Trump will run on how exonerated he is.
8. Prejudice. Against immigrants, brown people, women, and LGBT people. A lot more folks harbor subtle prejudices than you probably think.
9. Gullibility. Trump fans willingly believe anything he says; anything they here on Fox News or Breitbart. But it's not the fans that are the problem; it's the folks in the middle who are susceptible to the lies when they get repeated often enough.
The USA is totally screwed.
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Sadly we have a couple of the toxic variety here.
They seem to loath "Centrists" or "Moderates" (I have been insulted by them over this) not seeming to get that the Dems need the votes of the centrists and moderates to win in November.
I also think that Some Bernie Bros are a lot more radical then Bernie himself;I notice some advocate policies that are lot more extreme then anything that Sanders himself has advocated.
 
Or Dems could get off their asses and put an actual candidate in front of the American public that people want to vote for
 
The Great Zaganza said:
10. Strategy
In the medium to longer term, the Democratic Party is much better off losing to Trump in 2020 and using this to regain all of Congress in 2022, at which point they Impeach Trump.
If Trump loses, he will just run for the next four years, making any bipartisan effort impossible.
If Trump and the GOP are still there to face the consequences of the Trump policies, and more Trump scandals become undeniable, Dems will crush the GOP in 2024 and might keep both branches of government well beyond 2028.
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If we have fair elections in 2022...which if the GOP has control I doubt.
So it might be the appeal to arms after all.
 
Yet I hold out hope that enough of his supporters will have changed their minds after seeing this freak show on the hoof that they couldn't pull that lever a second time
 
Thermal said:
Yet I hold out hope that enough of his supporters will have changed their minds after seeing this freak show on the hoof that they couldn't pull that lever a second time
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if the Dems offered a halfway decent candidate maybe;not the way things stand.
 
I think the op hits on a lot of good points, but it missed one.

11. Donald Trump has been president for three years, and nothing really bad has happened.


In my opinion, he's setting us up for bad things in the future with huge borrowing and environmental damage, but in the right here right now, things are ok.

To phrase it differently, "it's the economy, stupid."
 
Meadmaker said:
I think the op hits on a lot of good points, but it missed one.

11. Donald Trump has been president for three years, and nothing really bad has happened.


In my opinion, he's setting us up for bad things in the future with huge borrowing and environmental damage, but in the right here right now, things are ok.

To phrase it differently, "it's the economy, stupid."
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Difficult to run on a platform that highlights trillion dollar deficits while simultaneously promoting free college, universal income, and UHC.

Kind of put ourselves in a corner there.
 
"The Democrats won't win because they don't have a decent candidate"

"I think several of the Democrats are fine. They are all polling ahead of Trump in the popular vote and it is too early to draw solid conclusions about that much less EC breakdowns."

"They aren't decent candidates."

"Why?"

"Because they can't beat Trump.

"How to you know they can't beat Trump?"

"Because they aren't decent candidates."

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*kids in cages on the border glance over*
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*transgender military members look up*

*people with pre-existing conditions give a sidelong glance*

*kids who like less extreme weather patterns gently coughs*

*Puerto Rico collectively rolls their eyes*

*The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe slip and fall over*
 
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Trebuchet said:
Why trump will be reelected

4. Toxic Bernie-Bro culture. There are not that many of the toxic ones, but they are very vocal.
6. Cheating. In addition to the ongoing Republican efforts to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters, the Russians are already busy, and Trump is already working hard to cover it up.
8. Prejudice. Against immigrants, brown people, women, and LGBT people. A lot more folks harbor subtle prejudices than you probably think.

The USA is totally screwed.
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The above 3 are the only significant factors.Dems will basically fall in line behind almost whoever's nominated, Fox News, Lockstep GOP views, etc. have been around since I don't even know when - and the end result has been a strong tilt towards dems - for that matter, had it not been for extraordinary FBI interference, we'd have president Hillary Clinton right now. The major problem with Dolt 45's attempts to aid Russia is that he's so entirely open about it that only people who *want* to deny it, will. The other factor:

The electoral college: more and more, this tilts in favor of republicans winning with a shrinking percentage of the electorate.
The economy: hasn't fallen off a cliff. As long as that holds up, things favor the incumbent. Of course, Dolt 45 being who he is, he could easily jack this up entirely over the summer or something.

(ETA: I'm not making predictions here.)
 
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Upchurch said:
*transgender military members look up*

*people with pre-existing conditions give a sidelong glance*

*kids who like less extreme weather patterns gently coughs*

*Puerto Rico collectively rolls their eyes*

*The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe slip and fall over*
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How many voters in MI PA and WI do those groups represent?
 
Distracted1 said:
How many voters in MI PA and WI do those groups represent?
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You miss the point. Nothing bad has happened to folks like Meadmaker, but that doesn't mean nothing bad has happened. The real question is how many voters, nation wide, have empathy for those groups and others?

ETA: I nearly added, "nothing bad has happened to folks like Meadmaker and myself", but as a gentleman farmer, I got a real hit in corn prices because of Trump's idiotic trade war fantasies.

So, maybe include:

*Midwestern farmers spit on the ground*
 
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