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Why Cindy Sheehan is Right!

Mycroft

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Cindy Sheehan, a mother who lost a son in the Iraq War, is determined to prevent other mothers and fathers from experiencing the same loss.

Courageously she has gone to Texas near the ranch of President Bush and braved the elements and a hostile Jewish supremacist media to demand a meeting with him and a good explanation why her son and other’s sons and daughters must die and be disfigured in a war for Israel rather than for America.

Recently, she had the courage to state the obvious that her son signed up in the military to protect America not to die for Israel.

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In truth, Cindy Sheehan is absolutely right. Her son signed up in the military to defend America, not Israel, and to safeguard our own democracy, not the democracy of some foreign nation that neither wants nor needs it. In advancing this war for Israel, government and media advocates obviously couldn’t get Americans behind the war by saying it was a war for Israel. They had to make up bogus reasons for the war, such as saying that Iraq was an imminent threat to America and that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Now that these lies have been exposed, they have changed the rationale for the war to “fighting for democracy” and “fighting against terrorism.” Here’s a short list showing why Cindy Sheehan is right!

1) It was criminal for Cindy Sheehan’s son to die for Israel rather than for the true interests of America.

From the beginning, this war was orchestrated from top to bottom by Jewish Neocons that saw the war as one for Israel’s strategic objectives. They ramped up the war through Jews such as Perle and Wolfowitz, the false intelligence through CIA analyst Stuart Cohen and by Israel’s Mossad, and had a compliant Jewish-dominated media to cheer on the war. The truth is the Iraq War has inflicted incredible damage on America and the American people. It is war against America rather than in defense of America.

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Ah, read the whole thing. It's histerical. :P
 
All right. So M(r)s. Sheehan is making her statement. Whether it's her manifestation of grief and anger or she's a "liberal media whore" is a whole other matter.

But seriously, it's amazing the people who will pick something out of the news and jump all over it like a dog on a leg.

Keep humping, David Duke. We already know what you are.
 
Almost as hysterical as another story I saw that said we were going to pick up a 2 billion dollar tab for moving setters out of Gaza.
 
A meeting with Cindy Sheehan is a non starter. I feel for her and I wish her the best. I'm damn glad she has a right to protest. However I don't see the point of Bush meeting with her. He knows her contempt for him. He knows her position on the issues. What purpose asside from scoring political points against Bush would such a meeting serve?
 
RandFan said:
A meeting with Cindy Sheehan is a non starter. I feel for her and I wish her the best. I'm damn glad she has a right to protest. However I don't see the point of Bush meeting with her. He knows her contempt for him. He knows her position on the issues. What purpose asside from scoring political points against Bush would such a meeting serve?
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That's a good enough purpose! ;)

But at this point in the game, not meeting her is probably doing more damage to Dubya than meeting her would. Bad if you do, even worse if you don't. He'll look like a wuss.
 
Orwell said:
With "friends" like this, who needs enemies?
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David Duke is notorious since his Klan days for jumping on bandwagons when he can put a racist or anti-Jewish spin on it.

He tried it with the Republicans some years ago, now this.
 
Okay, get out the knives, and I promise not to bleat too much when you take them to me.

But seriously, let me frame this hypothesis:

Supposing, after a major event like 9/11, your leader said to the nation, "We must go to war with Iraq because (insert reason A), (insert reason B), and (insert reason C)."

Now, supposing you're a young, patriotic man or woman, hearing this. Your president is telling you this, and his cabinet is backing him, and a lot of the media are on the bandwagon as well. So, you enlist, thinking you are doing your country a service, and protecting those you love, and also trying to help innocents in another country.

Three years later, everyone finds out that (reason A) isn't true, (reason B) didn't exist, and (reason C) was distorted and twisted.
The reasons you joined seem to be, if not lies, then at least misleading.

Then, you die in combat.

Now, hypothetically, if this were indeed the case, don't you think your mom would be a little unhappy with the man, the people, who said all those things?

The above may or may not be the case. BUT, if Cindy Sheehan thinks it's the case, can we not understand why she'd raise a bit of a fuss? Folks have been saying that military service is voluntary. But if you joined because you were told things that stirred your sense of patriotism, and then it turned out those things weren't exactly true, don't you think your family would want some answers from the man who said all those things?

Just asking. Let the cutting begin.
 
Originally posted by LostAngeles
But seriously, it's amazing the people who will pick something out of the news and jump all over it like a dog on a leg.
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Crude imagery aside, it's kinda what we do here, isn't it?

Originally posted by LostAngeles
Keep humping, David Duke. We already know what you are.
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I'm not sure I understand your meaning here, but I guarantee I won't report you for it. :)
 
Orwell said:
That's a good enough purpose! ;)

But at this point in the game, not meeting her is probably doing more damage to Dubya than meeting her would. Bad if you do, even worse if you don't. He'll look like a wuss.
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I disagree. Dubya has nothing to gain by meeting with this woman. He doesn't look like a wus for not meeting with her, but a pragmatist.
 
Mycroft said:
I disagree. Dubya has nothing to gain by meeting with this woman. He doesn't look like a wus for not meeting with her, but a pragmatist.
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I disagree. There was a window of opportunity where Bush could have diffused any criticism of being "out of touch" or "uncaring". Sheehan would have had her meeting and if she chose to carry on, it would have reflected worse on her.

Bush chose instead to try ignoring her, which doesn't make him look like a pragmatist, but like a coward who can't face a uncomfortable situation.

There's no doubt David Duke is a kook. Trying to put defense of Sheehan on the same plane is a stretch.
 
Cindy Sheehan is a conspiracy woo who believes the Iraq war was about lining the pockets of Halliburton. Bush met with her once. I don't see the point of meeting with her again. He expressed his remorse once.
 
shecky said:
There's no doubt David Duke is a kook. Trying to put defense of Sheehan on the same plane is a stretch.
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My opinion is Sheehan and Duke are kooks cut from the same cloth. The only difference being that Sheehan's can be partly excused from grief.
 
It is difficult to laugh at the emotional struggles of a mom who lost her son in a senseless war. There seem to be plenty of people who would like to manipulate her for their pov.

Like this: It must be unbearable for her to realize that there is no reason at all for the war. Not even some weird conspiracy about Israel. A conspiracy would at least mean that someone was on the ball. That we are on a fool's errand is too hard to take.

Sorry, seriously...

Bush met with her already and has nothing to gain by meeting again. He is personally meeting with lots of the grieving widows and they do not seem to be 'screened' for only those who support him.

I am a little curious about the toll of this 'personal visit' strategy on both him and the soldier's families. Maybe he thinks of it as a kind of 'strong leader penance'. Something tough guys do.



Or maybe he's starting to crack up.
 
Mycroft said:
My opinion is Sheehan and Duke are kooks cut from the same cloth. The only difference being that Sheehan's can be partly excused from grief.
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In what way are they cut from the same cloth? It seems to me to be simply a demonisation process by associating this woman with the biggest racist goon you could find. But such is life when you choose to speak up....
 
Mycroft said:
My opinion is Sheehan and Duke are kooks cut from the same cloth. The only difference being that Sheehan's can be partly excused from grief.
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I'm with the Fool here. Sheehan is a mother who is exercising her right of free speech, perhaps to her detriment and in a less than reasonable way.

David Duke is an Ex-Klan leader and still White Supremicist whose ideology is hate and racism.

Guess I'm dense on Monday mornings, but seem's you have some explaining to do, Mycroft...
 
The Fool is ignoring the fact that Sheehan already had her meeting with Bush, and was given her opportunity to 'speak up'...and she initially chose to give a positive report of that meeting.

She offers the appearance of being as duplicitous and manipulative as any other media savvy agenda monger (such as Dukes), when she shows up a year later with cameras and picketers in tow, demanding a second bite at the apple, and flip-flopping on her claims about the first meeting....
Maybe she isn't, but under the heading of 'looks like, walks like, quacks like...'
 
shecky said:
I disagree. There was a window of opportunity where Bush could have diffused any criticism of being "out of touch" or "uncaring". Sheehan would have had her meeting and if she chose to carry on, it would have reflected worse on her.

Bush chose instead to try ignoring her, which doesn't make him look like a pragmatist, but like a coward who can't face a uncomfortable situation.
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To those who want to see him as a coward I suppose. Probably not to those who don't wan't to see him that way.
 
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