Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

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Many persons take for granted that steel structures of certain types, e.g. WTC Twin Towers, collapse from top down - one-way crush down - if you start a fire up top. The fire is supposed to weaken support steel structure up top and then the structure above displaces down and one-way crushes the complete steel structure below.
Bazant and Zhou explained this already 2 days after 911.
However, the one-way crush down process is not possible under any circumstances. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/mac5.htm .
 
I take it that you tested this with lemons, pizza boxes, and sponges. I mean, without that, how can one be sure?

PS: How is it going with that article that you claimed has a 100% chance of getting published?
 
I take it that you tested this with lemons, pizza boxes, and sponges. I mean, without that, how can one be sure?

PS: How is it going with that article that you claimed has a 100% chance of getting published?

This time test is with 410 m high model with structural elements m as explained. You can replace m with lemons, pizza boxes, sponges or any structural elements! Don't worry! One-way crush down is not possible.

The article was sent to ASCE Journal of Mechanical Engineering on 3 February 2009 and is still under peer review, I am told. Editor Ross Corotis has informed he will publish it. :)
 
I'm curious, you mentioned FoS 3 in this article and if I remember correct there was a thread questioning this claim? So I wonder is it a correct number for the factory of safety or is it really smaller?
 
Many persons take for granted that steel structures of certain types, e.g. WTC Twin Towers, collapse from top down - one-way crush down - if you start a fire up top. The fire is supposed to weaken support steel structure up top and then the structure above displaces down and one-way crushes the complete steel structure below.
Bazant and Zhou explained this already 2 days after 911.
However, the one-way crush down process is not possible under any circumstances. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/mac5.htm .

Well, you're consistently not right, so at least you don't take being wrong for granted.:rolleyes:
 
I'm curious, you mentioned FoS 3 in this article and if I remember correct there was a thread questioning this claim? So I wonder is it a correct number for the factory of safety or is it really smaller?

FoS 3 is just an indicative figure. Pls note that the columns gets much (8 times) heavier and stronger down below than up top in this full scale model so column failure modes differ (buckling up top, pure compression below).

Pls, note also that in this model only virtual columns (their mass is included in the horizontal element) fail (for any reason) so any debris is also virtual and collects on the undamaged horizontal element below, so to say.

Failures are thus only produced by energy of displacing elements with mass and the big question is, WHERE, do they take place? I suggest in the weakest support elements adjacent to impact, i.e. the supports above impact in this model.

Think about latest car structural designs where the structure is arranged with crush zones with weak elements, &c, protecting the driver in collisions.
 
I think you have beaten a dead horse into sausage with this same unsupportable rubbish.

You fail to show an arresting mechanism, other than to state that the suppoprts get stronger (thus more resistant to collapse) as you move down the structure.

Get it straight. The brackets holding the floors to the perimeter columns were pretty much the same a the fifth floor as at the 90th. All they had to support was the floors. They did not suppoprt the upper weight of the building. The cores and the perimeter columns did. THOSE got stronger toward the bottom.

The floors were all that kept the perimeter columns upright without the hat trusses in place. There was debris falling faster than the floors could get out of the way. Some of it had to go sideways, pushing against the perimeter columns. Without the floors to hold them in place, the periemter columns fell off. The cores took a while to fall, being stronger, but there is a limit to how long such structures could stand without side bracing.

You have failed again, mostly because you are posting the same old same old with slightly different wording.

You are, in effect, repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome, and we all have heard what Einstein had to say about people who do that.
 
I think you have beaten a dead horse into sausage with this same unsupportable rubbish.

You fail to show an arresting mechanism, other than to state that the suppoprts get stronger (thus more resistant to collapse) as you move down the structure.

Get it straight. The brackets holding the floors to the perimeter columns were pretty much the same a the fifth floor as at the 90th. All they had to support was the floors. They did not suppoprt the upper weight of the building. The cores and the perimeter columns did. THOSE got stronger toward the bottom.

The floors were all that kept the perimeter columns upright without the hat trusses in place. There was debris falling faster than the floors could get out of the way. Some of it had to go sideways, pushing against the perimeter columns. Without the floors to hold them in place, the periemter columns fell off. The cores took a while to fall, being stronger, but there is a limit to how long such structures could stand without side bracing.

You have failed again, mostly because you are posting the same old same old with slightly different wording.

You are, in effect, repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome, and we all have heard what Einstein had to say about people who do that.

Pretty close to my analysis leftysergeant - Heiwa set up this thread after I challenged him with a version of his model adjusted to show what actually happened at WTC on 9/11

My most recent post is at: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4610257&postcount=743 and it is last in a series where I showed some of the reasons why Hiewa's model is faulty and started to explain how WTC 1 & 2 actually fell in the "global collapse" stage.

Interestingly he has been making the same initial error as many from both sides of the "great divide" - even Greening and Bazant IIRC as well as most truthers.
 
I think you have beaten a dead horse into sausage with this same unsupportable rubbish.

You fail to show an arresting mechanism, other than to state that the suppoprts get stronger (thus more resistant to collapse) as you move down the structure.

Get it straight. The brackets holding the floors to the perimeter columns were pretty much the same a the fifth floor as at the 90th. All they had to support was the floors. They did not suppoprt the upper weight of the building. The cores and the perimeter columns did. THOSE got stronger toward the bottom.

The floors were all that kept the perimeter columns upright without the hat trusses in place. There was debris falling faster than the floors could get out of the way. Some of it had to go sideways, pushing against the perimeter columns. Without the floors to hold them in place, the periemter columns fell off. The cores took a while to fall, being stronger, but there is a limit to how long such structures could stand without side bracing.

You have failed again, mostly because you are posting the same old same old with slightly different wording.

You are, in effect, repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome, and we all have heard what Einstein had to say about people who do that.

OK - the columns get stronger lower down but the horizontal elements (floors) connections to the columns are the same everywhere and they break first.

So at first impact floor 98 (moving) against floor 97 (static) floor/column connections fail (and not the columns). Which one - floor 97's or 98's or both?

Anyway - let's assume the outer wall support pillars (4 walls of 60 pillars each) just deflect outwards in the process, so that the floors can continue dropping down, i.e. part C squeezes itself inside part A and always destroys the floor/column connections below and the floors 97-1 are stacking up on top of each other ... around the core ... like doughnuts with holes with floor 98 on top?

So the result would be four walls below floor 97 - like banana skins - dropping sideways (or in pieces) and a stack of floors on the foot print ... and core somewhere. No columns buckling! No one-way crush down of supports. Just failures of horizontal elements' connections to columns and floors stacking up!

Good! Try to model that! It is a new variation of the pancake theory.

NIST will assist you with strength calculations of the floor/column connections. It seems they could carry 10 floors (10 m) static (FoS 10) or could resist 6 moving floors (6 m) impacting (plenty of strain energy there) and that it was the columns that were the weakest elements in the structure (FoS 3) (as assumed in my model).

Another question - is it just floor 98 (one m) crushing floors 97-1 (each one m)? Where do floors 99-111 (13 m) and the hat truss come into the picture?

So you suggest that one-way crush down of a structure is possible because all the floor/columns connections/joints were too weak throughout! All the joints break in the structure and the intact elements/floors just drop!

Fascinating. Imagine one single element held by two support connections and you drop another single element on it ... and both connections fail. Normally it is only one! And now a floor element with 600 connections. You drop another floor on it ... and all 600 connections fail. 97 times!

Imagine any composite structure and you drop a piece of it on it. And all the joints between elements fail. Never heard of! But now it is NWO physics time and then strange things happens. :) Show me a model, and you'll win a prize!
 
Many persons take for granted that steel structures of certain types, e.g. WTC Twin Towers, collapse from top down - one-way crush down - if you start a fire up top....
I don't accept that position so I am not one of those "Many persons".
The fire is supposed to weaken support steel structure up top and then the structure above displaces down and one-way crushes the complete steel structure below.
... and I disagree with 4 out of 5 of the premises includes in this bit of your statement when applied to the WTC Twin Towers:
  • I DO NOT AGREE with the implication that fire alone caused...
  • I DO NOT AGREE that the top structure was weakened;
  • I AGREE that the structure above displaced down;
  • I DO NOT AGREE with one way crushes; AND
  • I DO NOT AGREE with crushes the complete steel structure below.
....Bazant and Zhou explained this already 2 days after 911.
However, the one-way crush down process is not possible under any circumstances. I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/mac5.htm .
I also disagree with your conclusions:
  • Bazant and Zhou got the key element wrong even if their conclusions were correct;
  • I disagree with the definition of "one-way crush down" therefore the conclusion you draw; AND
  • your " I explain why" directs to an explanation which is not analogous or relevant to WTC 9/11 collapses and where I have already shown you a more appropriate explanation which is analogous to 9/11 events.

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OK - the columns get stronger lower down but the horizontal elements (floors) connections to the columns are the same everywhere and they break first.

So at first impact floor 98 (moving) against floor 97 (static) floor/column connections fail (and not the columns). Which one - floor 97's or 98's or both?

Both. You can see, in the collapse of the south tower, that the upper structure is already becoming massively deformed as it shifts slightly toward the camera. This would almost as a natural law deform the floor slabs above the breaking point, so that we have a great deal more rubble than just the floor slab from the 98th floor hitting the 97th.you also have the upper perimeter columns exerting an outward force on the tops of the lower columns.

The safety factor even for the static weight is out the window. There are TWO processes, not just one, occuring at each floor-to-perimeter connection.

Anyway - let's assume the outer wall support pillars (4 walls of 60 pillars each) just deflect outwards in the process, so that the floors can continue dropping down, i.e. part C squeezes itself inside part A and always destroys the floor/column connections below and the floors 97-1 are stacking up on top of each other ... around the core ... like doughnuts with holes with floor 98 on top?

No. They are banging each other into rubble.

Another question - is it just floor 98 (one m) crushing floors 97-1 (each one m)? Where do floors 99-111 (13 m) and the hat truss come into the picture?

They helped wedge open the perimeter walls.
 
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(Excuse me leftysergeant - but I see you beat me to it so here is some more details for Heiwa)

Some good understanding coming out in your post Heiwa. Lets look at it step by step.
OK - the columns get stronger lower down but the horizontal elements (floors) connections to the columns are the same everywhere and they break first....
CORRECT
So at first impact floor 98 (moving) against floor 97 (static) floor/column connections fail (and not the columns). Which one - floor 97's or 98's or both?
We cannot guess - probably both if we stay with your model. If we take the WTC 9/11 model it was not 98 falls on 97. It was "(whatever floor at bottom of top block) PLUS three or so floors of damaged material FALLS on one floor say 97 in your numbers. That MAY still be 50/50 but more likely 70:30 So, reverting to your modeling numbers 98 MAY fail on that first impact against 97 even, in real life WTC 9/11 with up to three floors debris falling in the sandwich. BUT go to the next one - it is two floors plus the impact zone debris falling on one then three floors falling on one; then four floors falling on one. However far that process goes it does not continue as a one for one sacrifce of floors with the "bottom section" winning because it had more floors in its piggy bank.
...Anyway - let's assume the outer wall support pillars (4 walls of 60 pillars each) just deflect outwards in the process, so that the floors can continue dropping down, i.e. part C squeezes itself inside part A and always destroys the floor/column connections below and the floors 97-1 are stacking up on top of each other ... around the core ... like doughnuts with holes with floor 98 on top? ...
..yes - that is what happened for the floors of the outer tube of the office space
...So the result would be four walls below floor 97 - like banana skins - dropping sideways (or in pieces) and a stack of floors on the foot print ... and core somewhere.
...I think you are saying what happened correctly. The outer walls simply fell over after the floors separated and at various times after (Actually at various fall distances after the floors fell)
No columns buckling! No one-way crush down of supports. Just failures of horizontal elements' connections to columns and floors stacking up!.....
Not quite. You need to separate "outer tube columns" from "core columns and beams" The "outer tube columns" simply peeled off in sheets of various sizes just as you say. The core is more complicated for two fundamental reasons. And there is an "x" factor of misclose.
The core could not fall free being surrounded by the doughnut of the falling Top Block or debris. The part falling on the core of the lower section was (mostly) the core of the upper section. The two would variously miss or cone into contact in several ways including:
  • Columns collide but end to but end - highly unlikely - if it happened the two would go into overload in axial compression and one or both would buckle;
  • Columns strike columns and glance off thus bending somewhat and starting to expose a greater horizontal area;
  • Beams (horizontal) land crosswise on other beams - both bend - and both pull inwards the columns they are connected to;
  • Columns land on beams; beams land on columns; bits bent by earlier collisions hit something else and bend more; AND
  • Some columns of the bottom bit totally miss any falling parts and protrude out of the roof.
..and the whole mess gets more complicated and continues falling accumulating more debris at each stage.
...Good! Try to model that! It is a new variation of the pancake theory.
..not new - I first published on another forum about 16 months back and others have said similar.
...NIST will assist you with strength calculations of the floor/column connections. It seems they could carry 10 floors (10 m) static (FoS 10) or could resist 6 moving floors (6 m) impacting (plenty of strain energy there)
...the "6 moving floors" seems wrong - far too high by my estimation BUT, like all these factors it is self balancing - more later if needed.
and that it was the columns that were the weakest elements in the structure (FoS 3) (as assumed in my model).
FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG we are modelling the strength of one floor connection with a factor of safety (accepting your figures) of 10 for static or 6 floors for dynamic (whatever that means) - The FOS for columns means 3 times tghe COLUMNBS designed losd which is ~10 or ~20 storeys of total structure - far stringer than one floors FLOOR LOAD ONLY, So you have an order of magnitude error of logic there.
....Another question - is it just floor 98 (one m) crushing floors 97-1 (each one m)? Where do floors 99-111 (13 m) and the hat truss come into the picture?
...they fall apart somewhere in the overall scheme but exactly wher doesnt matter nor does it matter if they remain mostly intedgral till the Top Block lands at the botton. The falling mass is the same whete vstill integral as a top block or separated into components.
....So you suggest that one-way crush down of a structure is possible because all the floor/columns connections/joints were too weak throughout! All the joints break in the structure and the intact elements/floors just drop!

If I may quote an expert:
By George, [he's] got it! By George, [he's] got it! Now, once again where does it rain?.......... (Lerner, A J 1956)

... Fascinating. Imagine one single element held by two support connections and you drop another single element on it ... and both connections fail. Normally it is only one! And now a floor element with 600 connections. You drop another floor on it ... and all 600 connections fail. 97 times!

Imagine any composite structure and you drop a piece of it on it. And all the joints between elements fail. Never heard of! But now it is NWO physics time and then strange things happens. :) Show me a model, and you'll win a prize!
... well back into cloud cuckoo land and models not analogous to WTC 9/!! - I will leave that sidetrack alone.
 
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(Excuse me leftysergeant - but I see you beat me to it so here is some more details for Heiwa)

Some good understanding coming out in your post Heiwa. Lets look at it step by step.
CORRECT We cannot guess - probably both if we stay with your model. If we take the WTC 9/11 model it was not 98 falls on 97. It was "(whatever floor at bottom of top block) PLUS three or so floors of damaged material FALLS on one floor say 97 in your numbers. That MAY still be 50/50 but more likely 70:30 So, reverting to your modeling numbers 98 MAY fail on that first impact against 97 even, in real life WTC 9/11 with up to three floors debris falling in the sandwich. BUT go to the next one - it is two floors plus the impact zone debris falling on one then three floors falling on one; then four floors falling on one. However far that process goes it does not continue as a one for one sacrifce of floors with the "bottom section" winning because it had more floors in its piggy bank...yes - that is what happened for the floors of the outer tube of the office space...I think you are saying what happened correctly. The outer walls simply fell over after the floors separated and at various times after (Actually at various fall distances after the floors fell) Not quite. You need to separate "outer tube columns" from "core columns and beams" The "outer tube columns" simply peeled off in sheets of various sizes just as you say. The core is more complicated for two fundamental reasons. And there is an "x" factor of misclose.
The core could not fall free being surrounded by the doughnut of the falling Top Block or debris. The part falling on the core of the lower section was (mostly) the core of the upper section. The two would variously miss or cone into contact in several ways including:
  • Columns collide but end to but end - highly unlikely - if it happened the two would go into overload in axial compression and one or both would buckle;
  • Columns strike columns and glance off thus bending somewhat and starting to expose a greater horizontal area;
  • Beams (horizontal) land crosswise on other beams - both bend - and both pull inwards the columns they are connected to;
  • Columns land on beams; beams land on columns; bits bent by earlier collisions hit something else and bend more; AND
  • Some columns of the bottom bit totally miss any falling parts and protrude out of the roof.
..and the whole mess gets more complicated and continues falling accumulating more debris at each stage...not new - I first published on another forum about 16 months back and others have said similar. ...the "6 moving floors" seems wrong - far too high by my estimation BUT, like all these factors it is self balancing - more later if needed.FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG we are modelling the strength of one floor connection with a factor of safety (accepting your figures) of 10 for static or 6 floors for dynamic (whatever that means) - The FOS for columns means 3 times tghe COLUMNBS designed losd which is ~10 or ~20 storeys of total structure - far stringer than one floors FLOOR LOAD ONLY, So you have an order of magnitude error of logic there.
...they fall apart somewhere in the overall scheme but exactly wher doesnt matter nor does it matter if they remain mostly intedgral till the Top Block lands at the botton. The falling mass is the same whete vstill integral as a top block or separated into components.


If I may quote an expert:


... well back into cloud cuckoo land and models not analogous to WTC 9/!! - I will leave that sidetrack alone.

Here is the dreaded spaghetti model gain. Assume it is six feet tall. Can you describe in clear terms what we would see in slow motion after you drop C on A ? .Say a six-inch drop.

Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60% of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the column bases in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Finally, lift up the top (and lightest) 10% (C) of the model and drop it say 6'' onto the lower 90% (A).
 
Here is the dreaded spaghetti model gain. Assume it is six feet tall. Can you describe in clear terms what we would see in slow motion after you drop C on A ? .Say a six-inch drop.

Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60% of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. ....

You run into terminal problems with such a model from the outset. The WTC core and outer columns were not single lengths running the height of the building, they were sections welded and bolted in various ways. So your spaghetti sticks would need to be composite. Maybe glued together such that the glued connection was somewhat weaker than the stick itself.

Then it gets really complicated ....
 
Here is the dreaded spaghetti model gain. Assume it is six feet tall. Can you describe in clear terms what we would see in slow motion after you drop C on A ? .Say a six-inch drop.

Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60% of the centre of the structure. Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations. Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the column bases in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Finally, lift up the top (and lightest) 10% (C) of the model and drop it say 6'' onto the lower 90% (A).
Its your model bill - what are you trying to achieve by it? I am only interested in explaining what happened to WTC on 9/11.

Also I declined to head off into cloud cuckoo land with Heiwa's model so it would be unfair to speculate on yours.

now if you modeled WTC9/11 behaviour that could be interesting. did I tell you about my "doughnut model" - actually it was someone else's model but I turned it into a useful 9/11 demo for Twin Towers collapse.
 
Its your model bill - what are you trying to achieve by it? I am only interested in explaining what happened to WTC on 9/11.

Also I declined to head off into cloud cuckoo land with Heiwa's model so it would be unfair to speculate on yours.

now if you modeled WTC9/11 behaviour that could be interesting. did I tell you about my "doughnut model" - actually it was someone else's model but I turned it into a useful 9/11 demo for Twin Towers collapse.

Go on....don't be a spoilsport. It seems a simple enough matter to desecribe in slow motion the sequence of collapse as outlined above.
I'll start you off....the top 10%(C) falls in slow mation and strikes the top of the lower 90% of the building (A). Then C's downward pointing core column butts punch through the lower floor and the upstanding core column butt ends of A punch through the floor of C. Other elements damage each other equally.....take it away maestro...
 
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(Excuse me leftysergeant - but I see you beat me to it so here is some more details for Heiwa)

Some good understanding coming out in your post Heiwa. Lets look at it step by step.
CORRECT We cannot guess - probably both if we stay with your model. If we take the WTC 9/11 model it was not 98 falls on 97. It was "(whatever floor at bottom of top block) PLUS three or so floors of damaged material FALLS on one floor say 97 in your numbers. That MAY still be 50/50 but more likely 70:30 So, reverting to your modeling numbers 98 MAY fail on that first impact against 97 even, in real life WTC 9/11 with up to three floors debris falling in the sandwich. BUT go to the next one - it is two floors plus the impact zone debris falling on one then three floors falling on one; then four floors falling on one. However far that process goes it does not continue as a one for one sacrifce of floors with the "bottom section" winning because it had more floors in its piggy bank...yes - that is what happened for the floors of the outer tube of the office space...I think you are saying what happened correctly. The outer walls simply fell over after the floors separated and at various times after (Actually at various fall distances after the floors fell) Not quite. You need to separate "outer tube columns" from "core columns and beams" The "outer tube columns" simply peeled off in sheets of various sizes just as you say. The core is more complicated for two fundamental reasons. And there is an "x" factor of misclose.
The core could not fall free being surrounded by the doughnut of the falling Top Block or debris. The part falling on the core of the lower section was (mostly) the core of the upper section. The two would variously miss or cone into contact in several ways including:
  • Columns collide but end to but end - highly unlikely - if it happened the two would go into overload in axial compression and one or both would buckle;
  • Columns strike columns and glance off thus bending somewhat and starting to expose a greater horizontal area;
  • Beams (horizontal) land crosswise on other beams - both bend - and both pull inwards the columns they are connected to;
  • Columns land on beams; beams land on columns; bits bent by earlier collisions hit something else and bend more; AND
  • Some columns of the bottom bit totally miss any falling parts and protrude out of the roof.
..and the whole mess gets more complicated and continues falling accumulating more debris at each stage...not new - I first published on another forum about 16 months back and others have said similar. ...the "6 moving floors" seems wrong - far too high by my estimation BUT, like all these factors it is self balancing - more later if needed.FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG we are modelling the strength of one floor connection with a factor of safety (accepting your figures) of 10 for static or 6 floors for dynamic (whatever that means) - The FOS for columns means 3 times tghe COLUMNBS designed losd which is ~10 or ~20 storeys of total structure - far stringer than one floors FLOOR LOAD ONLY, So you have an order of magnitude error of logic there.
...they fall apart somewhere in the overall scheme but exactly wher doesnt matter nor does it matter if they remain mostly intedgral till the Top Block lands at the botton. The falling mass is the same whete vstill integral as a top block or separated into components.


If I may quote an expert:


... well back into cloud cuckoo land and models not analogous to WTC 9/!! - I will leave that sidetrack alone.

You are off topic (my model) a little but allow me some comments.

So you suggest that "it was "(whatever floor at bottom of top block) PLUS three or so floors of damaged material" that impacted (???) the top floor of part A?

What produced three or so floors of damaged material in the first place and how could it + floor at bottom of part C impact top floor of part A?

Anyway - there is an impact between part C and part A! What happens then?

A floor is disconnected? OK, it must be floor # 97 of part A.

It seems floors 98 + three or so floors of part C are already damaged? Correct? Part C is damaged before impact?

What happens to the columns? The supports?

You suggest: "The outer walls simply fell over". It must be the part A walls! Why would they do that? Because floor #97 is disconnected?

There is no load on the part A walls up top, my friend. So they cannot fall over!

What's next?

More floors falling on one! This is pancake theory.

OK - some floors of part C were disconnected (how?) and they crushed down all 97 floors of part A one after one! How? Plenty of connections/joints to break.

&c, &c.

No, sorry! You are a clown that does not know anything about structural damage analysis. Words without meaning you produce.

I'll give you a second chance = topic! What fail's first, when part C collides with part A in my model?
 
I'll start you off....the top 10%(C) falls in slow motion and strikes the top (STATIC part) of the lower 90% (IRRELEVANT,MISLEADING)of the building (A). Then C's downward pointing (DYNAMIC) core column butts punch through the lower floor and the upstanding (STATIC) core column butt ends of A punch ("A" IS STATIC "C" IS DYNAMIC, you can't "punch" someone's fist with your face, understand?) through the floor of C. (but more so on A) Other elements damage each other equally (but A was getting rained down on by pieces of C falling onto it, A was more compromised than C).....take it away maestro...

I fixed that for you so you many have a better understanding of what actually happened.

A quick question for you bill. If two identical particles or pieces or things collide, one stationary and the other travelling with a velocity (v), which one is damaged damaged more, the stationary one or the one travelling with velocity (v) and why? Or are they equally damaged?
 
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