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"WhiteNoise" - EVP upsurge?

jmercer

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First time poster... been reading the forums for a few days, and sitting around in total shock at some of the stuff I've read. My cynical side is rejoicing, but the rest of me is still in shock about how delusional people can be. :D

Anyway, I was getting my webmail and saw this pop-up lead for a new movie called "Whitenoise". I followed the link, saw the preview and read the premise... and I was wondering. Do movie releases like this cause a surge in these kinds of claims here at JREF?

Here's a link to the official movie website, who also has some "information" about Electronic Voice Phenomena on a timeline. (Slick marketing, for sure.)

http://www.whitenoisemovie.com/
 
It seems to cause some debate, but it's usually the skeptics who bring it up.

I think EVP is crap, but that commercial is scaring the bejeebus out of my wife.
 
There's been a fair bit of discussion on the IMDb message board for this particular movie, and I'm pleased to say a lot of it was rational and sceptical.

One woman posted a clip of some EVP she recorded in 1977. It wasn't long before someone cleaned it up, sped it up (it was a brand tape and the tension probably wasn't taken up properly) to reveal the chilling phrase: "C'mon Tanya, we're gonna be late!"

:D

There's been the usual media coverage here on the daytime shows. Richard & Judy were their usual pandering selves, but Fern and Phil (This Morning) continually pointed out how difficult it is to discern anything at all.

David
 
Mr. Cranky gave the movie the "dynamite" rating, i.e. "So godawful that it ruptured the very fabric of space and time with the sheer overpowering force of its mediocrity."

My favorite line:

The fact that Jonathan Rivers (Michael Keaton) is going to be EVPeed on by his dead-at-first-plot-point wife ...
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EVPeed on...:D
 
Welcome to the forums, jmercer!

Stuff about EVP

Are the EVP people related to the my-digital-camera-takes-photographs-of-the-spirit-world woowoos?

The Miracle Of Faulty Electronic Equipment. I like it. It's got that proper mystical feel.
 
I've been watching the forums to see if there's a more-than-average surge of woo-woo claims too, ever since the commercials for that movie started running.

I stated in a thread about this posted in the media section that I'm disgusted by the marketing campaign. I was planing on not seeing the movie based purely on the fact that the studio is encouraging the load of crap that is EVP; after reading the reviews I realize I don't even have to go that far. Apparently the flick blows big time.

Anyway, I want to add my voice to the chorus of welcomes that you're sure to receive, jmercer. Good to have ya here.
 
evp on morning TV

Due to the movie coming out in UK today housewives fav. morning show "This Morning" had as a guest an expert in this phenomena,a woman Tina Laurentwho has been studying this for 23 years;she brought some tapes in of said phenomena which were played.Presenter Philip Schofield and Lorraine Kelly(hereafter known as P and L and TL for expert)even showed some signs of skepticism! Heres a transcript:

(Clip of movie is shown)
P:"Tina Laurent is an expert in the field and has been working with this for about 23 years,and has brought some tapes with her.That clip was hollywood's take on it,and we've seen it before in Poltergeist.Hollywood's are terribly clear,the things we are going to listen to are very,very difficult to understand.Why if there are people trying to get into conatct with us are they making it so hard to make themselves known?"

TL "Well,there are various reasons..Hollywood style the true voices have gone through audio filters(what???? its a film!)also listening out for EVP is an art to be learned.Not all of them are class A loud and clar,they're not."
P "Skeptics would say "TVs and radios-things that generate white noise are broadcast devices,so therefore are quite capable of picking up spurious signals,left right and centre.Something that is being broadcast somewhere.So what you are listening to -what youre tuning in to is in the air,is being broadcast from somewhere"
TL "And what is in the air comes back and says your name and answers your questions,and says "Philip youve put a blue shirt on this morning" "
L "How do you know that? Have you heard that yourself?
TL "Of course..Ive heard similiar things"
L "How did you know? How did you get into that in the first place?What was the first indication/"
TL "Twenty three years ago I read about a woman called Sarah Aesop(sp?)not far from me who was getting voices of spirits,of dead people on her tape recorderI read this article and thought wow why isnt everyone doing it ? So I called her up went to visit her,listened to her voices,fell in love with them;the personalities behind these voices?"
P "Whas it the same people saying different things?"
TL "Many people saying different things.At the time 23 years ago,the ones I heard on Sarah's tape were calling out for her,many many of them"
L "What are they after?"
TL "They want us to know that they stil exsist,basically."

Three segments of recording are played first from American Angela Brown who died in 1999,you hear a clear voice amongst the noise,one phrase that sounded to me like it was being looped.Its not made clear if thats the intention or wether the spirit repeats the message.The on screen words are Get out of my house
P "Its saying get out of my house..or there's a white mouse,for people who want to communicate with you she could have been clearer..she's whispering."
TL "Its the method by which she chooses to speak,there are many methods in which they come through on the recorder,and according to the method is the type,the loudness of the voice."
Second audio clip is utter crap,its of a dead girl who contacted her Mum 6 months after she died.Supposed to say "Wheres Mom?"
L "Dont you think there's a strond desire to contact the dead?people have lost someone and if they heard something that was a bit fuzzy,you would give it meaning"
TL "Yes maybe..but there's also a strong desire on the part of the deceased entity to get through too.The voices have been brought up,brought out[electronically]"
P What about the ones that are played backwards? You thinkyou really are making it difficult to communicate now.We've got to find the right frequency of white noise,find out what you're saying and then play it backwards. Why make it so tough?
Next up is Nancy Redwood(deceased,natch)from Cardiff and she is in regular contact with Tina Laurent apparently.Er....no idea how anyone can make out anything in that,as it was just mush.But apparently the spirit is saying her own name.Last one was some woman from Enfield House saying "get out get out who the hell are you?"

This post loses it without audio clips,but I dunno how to convert from my dvd to PC.:D
 
Michael Keaton (in the movie) was on Letterman last night...I would be glad to report on what he said, but I turned it off when I heard "I just thought it was a great premise for a movie, but it turns out that there are a lot of scientists who are studying it and say it's real...." *click*

Great--"I was skeptical, but am convinced. What's more, lots of scientists believe it too!" For what percentage of the public will this translate directly into "it is a scientifically proven phenomenon!"?
 
And do they ever mention the names of these sientists? (you know, just so the rest of the scientific community can laugh at them)
No.

After all A HOLLYWOOD STAR has declared that SCIENTISTS believe in it.

For most people facts don't come any more incontrovertible than that.
 
Mercutio said:
Michael Keaton (in the movie) was on Letterman last night...I would be glad to report on what he said, but I turned it off when I heard "I just thought it was a great premise for a movie, but it turns out that there are a lot of scientists who are studying it and say it's real...." *click*

Great--"I was skeptical, but am convinced. What's more, lots of scientists believe it too!" For what percentage of the public will this translate directly into "it is a scientifically proven phenomenon!"?
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Yeah, it bugs me when this sort of thing happens too. There's a video game called "Psy-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracey". It's actually quite a good game (the physics engine is remarkable), but that's not why I bring it up. In the game your character uses various psychic powers to defeat enemies. But included on the dvd are several special features, including one where the games developers describe how they conducted research and found out that the U.S. government has/is conducting serious research into these phenomena, and that these kinds of powers really have/are being used.

*grimace*

Ashles said:
And do they ever mention the names of these sientists? (you know, just so the rest of the scientific community can laugh at them)
No.
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Yeah, funny, that.
"I conducted research into this, although I can't remember the exact sources, and I read testimoney from many credible scientists, although I can't remember their names."

Oh, well, fantastic! That's all the evidence I need. If a guy who chooses scripts like "Jack Frost" and "Multiplicity" says it's true, then that's all I need. Thanks, Michael Keaton!

On a side note, I'm not saying he's a bad actor. But judging from his work the past 10 years, one would think he'd hired a third grader as his agent.
 
chrisberez said:
Yeah, it bugs me when this sort of thing happens too. There's a video game called "Psy-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracey". It's actually quite a good game (the physics engine is remarkable), but that's not why I bring it up. In the game your character uses various psychic powers to defeat enemies. But included on the dvd are several special features, including one where the games developers describe how they conducted research and found out that the U.S. government has/is conducting serious research into these phenomena, and that these kinds of powers really have/are being used.
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Probably a hold-over from the cold war apocryphal tales.

Supposedly, the US government went into a panic when they got reports that the Soviet Union was seriously pursuing military/espionage uses for psychics, and started up their own "black ops research".

Given the money and time put into Project Blue Book, I suppose it's not impossible that the US government might put money into something as stupid as that - but I certainly never heard any concrete evidence of either a USSR or US "Psychic program" ever existed.

One would think that given the details about various "hard" secrets that have emerged as time went on (F-117, B2 Spirit, even the Manhatten Project) that something like a psychic weapons program (failed, naturally!) would have emerged.

Unless it did and we all had our minds wiped... :rolleyes:

Thanks for the welcome, btw. :)
 
Hubby and I went to see "White Noise" today, and IT MAKES NO SENSE!! Plotholes you could drive a truck through, and the ending is absolutely ridiculous. It only cost us $8 bucks cause we went to a matinee, but we should have waited for it to appear on cable. I'll admit it wasn't nearly as boring as "Mothman Prophecies", but other than that, THUMBS DOWN !!
 
Re: evp on morning TV

Azrael 5 said:
Due to the movie coming out in UK today housewives fav. morning show "This Morning" had as a guest an expert in this phenomena,a woman Tina Laurentwho has been studying this for 23 years;she brought some tapes in of said phenomena which were played.Presenter Philip Schofield and Lorraine Kelly(hereafter known as P and L and TL for expert)even showed some signs of skepticism! Heres a transcript:

(Clip of movie is shown)
P:"Tina Laurent is an expert in the field and has been working with this for about 23 years,and has brought some tapes with her.That clip was hollywood's take on it,and we've seen it before in Poltergeist.Hollywood's are terribly clear,the things we are going to listen to are very,very difficult to understand.Why if there are people trying to get into conatct with us are they making it so hard to make themselves known?"

TL "Well,there are various reasons..Hollywood style the true voices have gone through audio filters(what???? its a film!)also listening out for EVP is an art to be learned.Not all of them are class A loud and clar,they're not."
P "Skeptics would say "TVs and radios-things that generate white noise are broadcast devices,so therefore are quite capable of picking up spurious signals,left right and centre.Something that is being broadcast somewhere.So what you are listening to -what youre tuning in to is in the air,is being broadcast from somewhere"
TL "And what is in the air comes back and says your name and answers your questions,and says "Philip youve put a blue shirt on this morning" "
L "How do you know that? Have you heard that yourself?
TL "Of course..Ive heard similiar things"
L "How did you know? How did you get into that in the first place?What was the first indication/"
TL "Twenty three years ago I read about a woman called Sarah Aesop(sp?)not far from me who was getting voices of spirits,of dead people on her tape recorderI read this article and thought wow why isnt everyone doing it ? So I called her up went to visit her,listened to her voices,fell in love with them;the personalities behind these voices?"
P "Whas it the same people saying different things?"
TL "Many people saying different things.At the time 23 years ago,the ones I heard on Sarah's tape were calling out for her,many many of them"
L "What are they after?"
TL "They want us to know that they stil exsist,basically."

Three segments of recording are played first from American Angela Brown who died in 1999,you hear a clear voice amongst the noise,one phrase that sounded to me like it was being looped.Its not made clear if thats the intention or wether the spirit repeats the message.The on screen words are Get out of my house
P "Its saying get out of my house..or there's a white mouse,for people who want to communicate with you she could have been clearer..she's whispering."
TL "Its the method by which she chooses to speak,there are many methods in which they come through on the recorder,and according to the method is the type,the loudness of the voice."
Second audio clip is utter crap,its of a dead girl who contacted her Mum 6 months after she died.Supposed to say "Wheres Mom?"
L "Dont you think there's a strond desire to contact the dead?people have lost someone and if they heard something that was a bit fuzzy,you would give it meaning"
TL "Yes maybe..but there's also a strong desire on the part of the deceased entity to get through too.The voices have been brought up,brought out[electronically]"
P What about the ones that are played backwards? You thinkyou really are making it difficult to communicate now.We've got to find the right frequency of white noise,find out what you're saying and then play it backwards. Why make it so tough?
Next up is Nancy Redwood(deceased,natch)from Cardiff and she is in regular contact with Tina Laurent apparently.Er....no idea how anyone can make out anything in that,as it was just mush.But apparently the spirit is saying her own name.Last one was some woman from Enfield House saying "get out get out who the hell are you?"

This post loses it without audio clips,but I dunno how to convert from my dvd to PC.:D
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Have no fear, Jim's here.

Examples from the interview transcribed above (all in mp3 format). They are looped:
Get out of my house
Where's Mom?
Nancy Redood (NB: The presenter asks "What's she saying there?" halfway through.)
Go out go out who the hell's with you?

Now, more samples played during Judith Chisholm's interview on the Richard and Judy show. No prompting this time, I'll post what Chisholm claims they say at a later date.

EVP1 - A message from Chisholm's dead friend, Jack Hallam.
EVP2 - A participant asked "Can you not ...", the spirits finished the sentence for him.
EVP3
 
Ashles said:
And do they ever mention the names of these sientists? (you know, just so the rest of the scientific community can laugh at them)
No.

After all A HOLLYWOOD STAR has declared that SCIENTISTS believe in it.

For most people facts don't come any more incontrovertible than that.
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I disagree. Popular culture is a reflection of common belief, not a source.
 
Victor Zammit should be just about at orgasm over this by now...
 
Thanks for that Jim.No doubt Richard and Judy were far less skeptical than their erstwhile rivals philip and Fern.:D
 
Thought this qoute on AAEVP website was more telling than the writer realised.

In the Summer 1988 AA-EVP NewsJournal, Sarah Estep ran a brief review of the CETL newsletter written by Jules and Maggie Harsch-Fischbach in Luxembourg. The couple believed that experimenters could attract positive as well as negative contacts. They quoted a comment made by pioneer researcher Dr. Konstantin Raudive. Raudive said, “Transcommunication is not a hobby for people who can’t cope with the realities of life.”
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http://www.whitenoisemovie.com/mirror/full/articles/articles_about_safety.htm ;)
 
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