What's the more ethical profession?

[Richard Masters]

What's the more ethical profession? Becoming a prostitute or becoming a soldier?

ETA: To add some context: an acquaintance thinks that prostitution is an immoral way to make money. I then noted that joining the military is too because both prostitutes and soldiers sell their bodies.

 

[quarky]

The most ethical profession, not surprisingly, is whatever I'm doing (professionally) at the moment.

That's morality and ethics, in a nutshell.

 

[Darth Rotor]

What's the more ethical profession? Becoming a prostitute or becoming a soldier?

ETA: To add some context: an acquaintance thinks that prostitution is an immoral way to make money. I then noted that joining the military is too because both prostitutes and soldiers sell their bodies.

A soldier can have a long career and never kill anyone. He is trained to kill, but often does not have to.

A prostitute, trained or untrained, has to sell sex to have a career.

Your question is fairly stupid, Richard.

DR

 

[Richard Masters]

A soldier can have a long career and never kill anyone. He is trained to kill, but often does not have to.

A prostitute, trained or untrained, has to sell sex to have a career.

Your question is fairly stupid, Richard.

DR

Ok, but why is selling sex immoral?

 

[Resume]

A soldier can have a long career and never kill anyone. He is trained to kill, but often does not have to.

A prostitute, trained or untrained, has to sell sex to have a career.

Your question is fairly stupid, Richard.

DR

The question is moronic. Especially this weekend it seems adolescent to mock those that sacrifice to protect and ensure freedoms.

 

[Richard Masters]

The question is moronic. Especially this weekend it seems adolescent to mock those that sacrifice to protect and ensure freedoms.

How can you be sure that is the intent of soldiers? Is it possible that soldiers simply want to make a living, as does everyone else, including prostitutes?

 

[quarky]

I protect your freedoms.



("Make no mistake" etc.)

Why does Obama have to use that hackneyed expression?

 

[Resume]

How can you be sure that is the intent of soldiers? Is it possible that soldiers simply want to make a living, as does everyone else, including prostitutes?

Because I know the intent of certain soldiers. I certainly know the intent of my own father who served in the Navy in WWII. I know his motivation in enlisting, and I know the fear he experienced in this conflict. This was certainly not "making a living" and to equate it as such indicates the shallow nature of your understanding.

 

[Richard Masters]

Because I know the intent of certain soldiers. I certainly know the intent of my own father who served in the Navy in WWII. I know his motivation in enlisting, and I know the fear he experienced in this conflict. This was certainly not "making a living" and to equate it as such indicates the shallow nature of your understanding.

Your father could well be interested in defending his country; it might even the main reason he joined. I could never deny that without reading his mind.

But it's far from the only reason, and soldiers do not join the military only in the United States. There are soldiers in most countries in the world.

Even simplistically assuming that soldiers are mainly interested in defending their country, it's obvious that when they sign away their rights, they are also signing up for the potential to kill both foreign enemies, innocent people, and themselves.

 

[Richard Masters]

The question is moronic. Especially this weekend it seems adolescent to mock those that sacrifice to protect and ensure freedoms.

The timing is a coincidence*, I promise. That said, aren't you ignoring that the other side (the redcoats) were also soldiers?

*It's also an ethnocentric assumption. A lot of people on this forum are not from the U.S.A.

 

[Resume]

Your father could well be interested in defending his country; it might even the main reason he joined. I could never deny that without reading his mind.

But it's far from the only reason, and soldiers do not join the military only in the United States. There are soldiers in most countries in the world.

Even simplistically assuming that soldiers are mainly interested in defending their country, it's obvious that when they sign away their rights, they are also signing up for the potential to kill both foreign enemies, innocent people, and themselves.

I can tell you why he joined the conflict, why millions of his peers did as well, but you would not understand. What you should understand is that during this weekend in which many celebrate independence, your mocking of the patriotism of those that chose to enlist, to protect your freedoms, this mocking is disgusting.

 

[Resume]

The timing is a coincidence*, I promise. That said, aren't you ignoring that the other side (the redcoats) were also soldiers?

*It's also an ethnocentric assumption. A lot of people on this forum are not from the U.S.A.

I don't care.

 

[truethat]

He's not dissing anyone's dad or a working soldier for chripes sake, he's making a fairly legitmate statement.

And any soldier worth his salt knows damn well that the ranks are not filled to the seams by men and women motivated by love and country alone.

I worked with Fort Hamilton Army Base for a while doing housing for off base residents and I can tell you straight up that a lot of the guys I met did it for the money. Lots of people who worked in the military wanted to go to Iraq or Afghanistan for the "hazard pay" not because they wanted to protect their country.

Come now, lets not be silly.

That said, I think the more ethical of the two would be the soldier. I don't think there's anything morally wrong with selling sex, it's just trashy.

 

[Richard Masters]

I can tell you why he joined the conflict, why millions of his peers did as well, but you would not understand. What you should understand is that during this weekend in which many celebrate independence, your mocking of the patriotism of those that chose to enlist, to protect your freedoms, this mocking is disgusting.

If you want to resume this discussion after the fourth of July, that's acceptable to me. As I noted earlier, my intent isn't primarily to mock anyone, though I do oppose jingoistic tendencies and American Exceptionalism. The way we regard military personnel in the United States as though each and every one is a hero, is dogmatic.

 

[fuelair]

Ok, but why is selling sex immoral?

Actually it is only if your sense of right and wrong says it is. Mine doesn't, so to me it is not immoral. Neither is soldiering. So...........

 

[Cavemonster]

Like any ethical question, the answer is "Whatever the society in question agrees on"

There is no objective ethical system

 

[Richard Masters]

He's not dissing anyone's dad or a working soldier for chripes sake, he's making a fairly legitmate statement.

And any soldier worth his salt knows damn well that the ranks are not filled to the seams by men and women motivated by love and country alone.

I worked with Fort Hamilton Army Base for a while doing housing for off base residents and I can tell you straight up that a lot of the guys I met did it for the money. Lots of people who worked in the military wanted to go to Iraq or Afghanistan for the "hazard pay" not because they wanted to protect their country.

Come now, lets not be silly.

That said, I think the more ethical of the two would be the soldier. I don't think there's anything morally wrong with selling sex, it's just trashy.

Yeah, prostitution may involve less effort than engaging hostile enemies or training for it, but it doesn't result in negative consequences or involve malicious intent in every case.

 

[Richard Masters]

Actually it is only if your sense of right and wrong says it is. Mine doesn't, so to me it is not immoral. Neither is soldiering. So...........

I think there is a double standard or disconnect regarding how we glorify or demonize some people and not others, so I hoped that pointing out the similarities would highlight that.

 

[ThunderChunky]

How can one profession be more or less ethical than another? There can be ethical and unethical prostitutes and ethical and unethical soldiers.

 

[Resume]

If you want to resume this discussion after the fourth of July, that's acceptable to me. As I noted earlier, my intent isn't primarily to mock anyone, though I do oppose jingoistic tendencies and American Exceptionalism. The way we regard military personnel in the United States as though each and every one is a hero, is dogmatic.

Heroes are heroes and it isn't jingoism, nor dogma; people in fact sacrifice for others. That you don't recognize this suggests you are very young or very immature or perhaps both. Spend some time in a VA hospital, among veterans that have lost limbs; talk to them and understand their loss and get back to me.