What the Hell is Moral Relativism?

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I read this term all the time, but I don't understand what it is supposed to mean. It doesn't appear to be a philosophical construct, but a political one. From what I can guess, it means that anything I do to hurt you is OK, as long as it doesn't get in the newspapers, but anything you do to me is immoral, because it does get in the newspapers.
 
It's okay if I steal this car. Besides, it's not like I'm committing murder!
 
I think it's used most often by Christians denouncing what they see as secular humanists' attempts to celebrate diversity. In particular, my understanding is that they mean to criticize the notion that all viewpoints are equally valid, that all behaviors must be viewed in context in order to judge their morality, and that if it feels right then it must be right.

Inherent in the criticism of "moral relativism" is the contrasting notion of moral absolutes. Indeed, Christian fundamentalists and others often use the term "absolute" to refer to the Word of God. Thus, God's laws are absolutes. His proscriptions against certain behaviors are not to be examined in context. They mean what they say. Murder is always wrong. Adultery is always wrong.

Thus, an anthropologist examining a culture in which polygamy is commonly accepted as a cultural norm, for instance, is obliged to condemn the people for violating God's law. If the anthropologist doesn't condemn their behavior and attempts to rationalize it, he is engaging in moral relativism.

Here's a link which may explain better:


Moral Relativism

AS
 
From the link.

Evolution and moral relativism go hand-in-hand, for evolution teaches that life is accidental, without meaning or purpose. Therefore, anything you do is OK, because it ultimately doesn't matter. If you believe we are created, however, moral relativism cannot work. Creation implies a Creator.
 
See also "Situational ethics."

I always thought the whole Moral Absolute thing was a little odd.

There's scarcely a Christian sect that hasn't spent considerable time and effort tweaking the "10 Commandments".
 
If I didn't make this clear, the term "moral relativism" is pejorative. It was created by Christian apologists as a criticism of what they see as secular values. They believe morals cannot exist without God. Therefore, to them, persons who attempt to define morality outside of a Biblical construct are engaged in moral relativism.

When the site I linked to calls moral relativism a philosophy, it is not embracing it. The site is denouncing it. Click on "About Us" to get an idea of the sites' sponsors' agenda.

AS
 
Moral relativism is the idea that all systems of morality are equal, that no one system of ethic is better than another.

When used as a criticism, it most often means that the moral relativist has no system of ethic, since whatever is being criticized is acceptable in some culture.
 
I find that people who say moral relativism are referring to cultural relativism. Sometimes, however, they may be talking about ethical subjectivism (chapters 2 and 3 of James Rachels' excellent introduction to ethics _The Elements of Moral Philosophy_ provide the best summary I know).

These are philosophical terms often used by religious conservatives to slime the left, especially the academic left (at least in the United States).

Moral relativism has mutated from a neutral descriptive term into a pejorative. (For another example, see "liberal").
 
a_unique_person said:
AS, I wasn't criticising you, I was just surprised that they would link evolution/creationism and moral relativism.

In the creationist camp they like to think that animals are completely without moral or ethical systems. An acceptance of evolution means humans are "just animals" and therefore inherently morally reletivistic.
 
I find that people who say moral relativism are referring to cultural relativism. Sometimes, however, they may be talking about ethical subjectivism (chapters 2 and 3 of James Rachels' excellent introduction to ethics _The Elements of Moral Philosophy_ provide the best summary I know).

These are philosophical terms often used by religious conservatives to slime the left, especially the academic left (at least in the United States).

Moral relativism has mutated from a neutral descriptive term into a pejorative. (For another example, see "liberal").

I dredged up this 12-year-old thread because, of late, the term is used as a pejorative by skeptics as an example of a failed philosophical stance (and perhaps linked to solipsism and post-modernism).

I often find myself in the position of taking a moral/cultural relativist stance merely because moral absolutism is pressed so hard as a "solved problem." This surprises me on a skeptic forum, were at least some form of solipsism and relativism should always be in the mix - shouldn't it?

We are quick to point out the the power of personal experience: paraidoleia and its cousins, as well as "But I'm sure I saw a ghost." We do it to explain that personal interpretations are often wrong and one cannot convince others without objective evidence. And yet, recognizing this, we abandon it when it comes to moral relativism, which I would argue is an expression of the ultimate inner experience translating personal observations.

In any case, I'd have assumed that skeptics would be quite aware of and appreciate both solipsism and moral relativism as attributes included in the human package, inescapable and unavoidable. So why are they summarily rejected? If it's in the service of clarity, I propose we ought not to reject the foundations of skepticism just to feel cognitive resolution.

It is interesting to see what was written above, a dozen years back, and how the term "moral relativist" has been transformed by atheists and skeptics from its roots in Christian apologetics.
 
I dredged up this 12-year-old thread because, of late, the term is used as a pejorative by skeptics as an example of a failed philosophical stance (and perhaps linked to solipsism and post-modernism).

I often find myself in the position of taking a moral/cultural relativist stance merely because moral absolutism is pressed so hard as a "solved problem." This surprises me on a skeptic forum, were at least some form of solipsism and relativism should always be in the mix - shouldn't it?


Is it ? The way i read it is the other way around, there is quite clearly no absolute scale. So if I cite one action to the moral absolutism crowd they will be able all to tell me with 100% certainty if that action is moral or immoral ?
 
I don't know the precise definitions of these words, but it seems to me that moral absolutism is practically impossible.

Even those who point to the Bible as the source for all morality can't agree on how to interpret it correctly. That's why there's so many different schisms in Christianity (which itself is a schism from Judaism, which has its own schisms as well).

So even the people who aspire to moral absolutism end up having to think it through, or blindly accept someone's interpretation of the Bible (but how do you decide whose interpretation to follow?).
 
Is it ? The way i read it is the other way around, there is quite clearly no absolute scale. So if I cite one action to the moral absolutism crowd they will be able all to tell me with 100% certainty if that action is moral or immoral ?

I think so. But I've been arguing it in the FGM thread, so it may just be that the issue attracts a certain opinion/position. There's always the danger of thinking that my own preferred topics at ISF represent some general tone.
 
I don't know the precise definitions of these words, but it seems to me that moral absolutism is practically impossible.

Even those who point to the Bible as the source for all morality can't agree on how to interpret it correctly. That's why there's so many different schisms in Christianity (which itself is a schism from Judaism, which has its own schisms as well).

So even the people who aspire to moral absolutism end up having to think it through, or blindly accept someone's interpretation of the Bible (but how do you decide whose interpretation to follow?).

It's not just about religion though, it's about thinking there is an objective, discoverable right and wrong. Someone can be a moral absolutist and hold that science can answer moral questions, so long as they think there are unique answers to be had.
 

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