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What more can you tell to your child in life?

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AlexPontik

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Hi all,

what do you think? Both positive and negative feedback are welcome (but as always...keep it classy...)

General argument

what more can you tell to your child in life, than have fun and be careful?
What is my reasoning for saying this? Because if you tell your child to do something else (what else? anything else)
  1. at best your child is going to have fun and be careful, plus something else. But as it takes less time and effort to just have fun and be careful, it will be common sense for your child to move to just have fun and be careful, sooner or later.
  2. at worst your child is going to do something else, which may be or may not be what you asked your child to do. But your child in this case is not having fun and not being careful (we covered having fun and being careful, plus something else on bullet 1. )
however if you tell your child have fun and be careful (and nothing more), if the child is not careful, it will find this out as soon as possible. Why? Because before it finds this out, your child thought that it was having fun and being careful. Then, something happened, and your child is not having fun. So your child will try to be more careful (or else the child will continue not having fun)

Example Scenario:
you notice it is cold outside and your child is going to play with its friends

More than you should say: Have fun and be careful plus something else
what you tell your kid: Have fun and be careful, but take this jacket also and wear it, as it is cold. Your child disagrees.
What a selfish child does: the child takes but doesn't wear the jacket, and proceeds to have fun and be careful. But if the child is careful up to this point in its life, if it is cold for the child, then it will notice it (because the child is being careful) and will wear the jacket. Also, the child notices that your advice was valuable, and trusts you a bit more in the future. :D
What a bad child does: the child doesn't takes but doesn't wear the jacket, and proceeds to have fun and be careful. But if the child is a careful child up to this point in its life, if it is cold for the child, then it will notice it (because the child is being careful) and will wear the jacket. Still, the child doesn't notice any value in your advice in the future. :(
What a good child does: the child wears the jacket, and proceeds to have fun and be careful. But if the child is a careful child up to this point in its life, if it is warm for the child, then it will notice it (because the child is being careful), and will remove the jacket. Also, the child notices that your advice wasn't valuable, but it was loving. How much your child trusts your advice in the future, depends on how many times your advice wasn't valuable in the past, as a good child, wants also be fair with its mother.:D

Less than you should say: something else
what you tell your kid: Take this jacket also and wear it, as it is cold.Your child disagrees.
What a selfish child does: leaves without the jacket. :(
What a bad child does: takes the jacket, hides it near the house, and proceeds to go to have fun. :(
What a good child does: Takes the jacket and wears it. Regardless of whether it is warm or cold, the child keeps the jacket on. For now the child is afraid to make its own decisions, according to how the child feels. In the future, the child won't always have someone to advice it, and if it is afraid to make its own decisions now, it won't be able to built enough experience making decisions, observing the results, and correcting its behavior. :confused:
the right words: Have fun and be careful.
What a selfish child does: checks the weather and decides on whether it needs a jacket or not. :D
What a bad child does: goes out without checking the weather. If the weather is cold, the child will understand that the mistake was in its decision to not check the weather in the future. :D
What a good child does: checks the weather and decides on whether it needs a jacket or not. Gives you a kiss before it leaves. :D

What I am trying to argue is that in order for your child to build the ability to make decisions on difficult occasions, it needs first to make decisions on its own for simple occasions.
To build this skill (making decisions on difficult occasions), your child needs to accept responsibility of its own decisions, or else it cannot understand where it should correct its behavior.
In the above example, have fun and be careful sounds like and ideal situation, and this is what it is.
In practice for a child to learn a behavior, one needs start from "have fun and be careful, plus something else" (whatever this something else if for the occasion, e.g. wear the jacket, brush your teeth, make your bed etc.), with the aim to reach "have fun and be careful", where the child has an understanding that it is its responsibility to control its behavior.
As a parent, you will notice your kid changing its behavior, and then it is also your responsibility to not do "something else" but "have fun and be careful". The reason for doing this is that then the relationship between the parent and the child is working while both are "having fun and being careful", and this common understanding without extra words, builds trust between them.
 
Sorry, but it will take some time to follow, because I read only about half of your questions. But for now, something I did read reminded me of something with my sons.

I was a single mom, and at 16 yrs, of course they wanted to drive. They did. And anyone who has raised a teenager knows of the torment of the parents. I started with, "OK, drive safe, be home on time, love you. Call me if you need me!" (Yeah right).

That grew tiresome and I could see their eyes rolling. So, I switched attitude. I mean really, you think they will be safer because I said that?!!!

Then one night I followed them to their cars as usual. This time I started shouting as I jumped up and down, "OK boys, remember, DRIVE FAST AND TAKE CHANCES!!!
 
what more can you tell to your child in life, than have fun and be careful?

We just leave it at "have fun", because careful isn't a word kids understand.

Show them what the risks are, set boundaries and let them go.
 
What's wrong with "put your jacket on first"?

The shorter the instruction, the better the child's comprehension.
 
With deer, aim just above the brisket behind the foreleg: heart shot; doesn't spoil much meat.

Elk or moose, aim square in the middle of the shoulder; breaks the spine if you're lucky, and ruins the front leg, so they can't run; 'nuff meat on them that you afford to waste some.

If you're shooting up or down at a steep angle, aim a bit low.



Any other eastern middle class questions you want answered?
 
Give it up, you can't tell your children a damn thing.

And use respectful personal pronouns, I may prefer it, that or them, but your child, probably not.

You can get the most if you start before they can talk back.

And welcome to the forum, it can be a rough place.
 
If we'd let kids figure out everything out for themselves there would be no progress from generation to generation.
 
Any other eastern middle class questions you want answered?

Wow, nice fella.

The guy's just joined the forum and it pretty likely that English is his second language.

It looks pretty damned good to me - how many languages are you fluent in? Nice of you to slip a little racist insinuation in there, though.

And use respectful personal pronouns, I may prefer it, that or them, but your child, probably not.

I imagine the kids won't be reading it & see what I said above. We all know what "it" means - give the guy a break!

And welcome to the forum, it can be a rough place.

Is it a rough place, or is it just that 1/3 of posters have to behave like dicks to a new poster?
 
Wow, nice fella.

The guy's just joined the forum and it pretty likely that English is his second language.

It looks pretty damned good to me - how many languages are you fluent in? Nice of you to slip a little racist insinuation in there, though.

I assumed sackett meant Eastern United States, referring to himself.
 
Welcome.

I scanned through the OP and will read more carefully later.

My wife and I have seven children all grown up, left home, healthy and living well. We never told them much at all, but hoped they would follow our example and grow into independent, intelligent, caring and self sufficient adults. Mission accomplished. So far......
 
I dunno. These days I figure 'Go forth and lie, cheat and steal' because that seems to be what works.
 
Stick to the basics.
Never play cards with a man named 'Doc'.
Never eat at a place called Mom's.
Never sleep with a woman whose troubles are worse than your own.
 
Wow, nice fella.

The guy's just joined the forum and it pretty likely that English is his second language.

It looks pretty damned good to me - how many languages are you fluent in? Nice of you to slip a little racist insinuation in there, though.



I imagine the kids won't be reading it & see what I said above. We all know what "it" means - give the guy a break!



Is it a rough place, or is it just that 1/3 of posters have to behave like dicks to a new poster?

So you think it's ok to refer to your kids using the pronoun it.

I disagree.

The guy did ask for negative comments, I gave him one.
 
With deer, aim just above the brisket behind the foreleg: heart shot; doesn't spoil much meat. but take this jacket also and wear it, as it is cold, and shivering with cold will spoil your aim


FTFY
 
Wow, nice fella.

The guy's just joined the forum and it pretty likely that English is his second language.

It looks pretty damned good to me - how many languages are you fluent in? Nice of you to slip a little racist insinuation in there, though.



I imagine the kids won't be reading it & see what I said above. We all know what "it" means - give the guy a break!



Is it a rough place, or is it just that 1/3 of posters have to behave like dicks to a new poster?

It's not as if he's ever been back to see it.
 
So you think it's ok to refer to your kids using the pronoun it.

I disagree.

The guy did ask for negative comments, I gave him one.

Oh my god - are you pretending to be the ultimate pronoun arbiter?

I use "it" for kids all the time, and happily use it for my own. It's no sillier than individuals who insist on being called "they/them".

Pronouns don't make parents, a loving and caring home and family do.

It's not as if he's ever been back to see it.

Not really the point.

When anyone new comes in and posts something even slightly out of the ordinary, the tendency is to jump all over them.

Very welcoming.
 
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