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What is a "globalist"

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I've never really pinned down what a globalist is supposed to be, and how Putin, Duterte, Ahmadinejad, Trump, or other such "rebel" people are good for the world because they're ostensibly against globalism.

Using context clues it makes me think of the NWO conspiracies and one-world government. Teh UN, NATO, EU, Muslim haters, Muslim backers, Jew haters, Jew backers...

It's really incoherent.
 
IIIClovisIII said:
I've never really pinned down what a globalist is supposed to be, and how Putin, Duterte, Ahmadinejad, Trump, or other such "rebel" people are good for the world because they're ostensibly against globalism.

Using context clues it makes me think of the NWO conspiracies and one-world government. Teh UN, NATO, EU, Muslim haters, Muslim backers, Jew haters, Jew backers...

It's really incoherent.
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In certain quarters, anyone who isn't an American Firster and knows the locations of foreign countries and...horror of horror...speaks a foreign language is probably a globalist and gets a blue veiner when they see the U.N. flag.
 
There's a real reason why "globalists" are a target - the cartoon they make in CT lore is drawn from the fact there very much is an increasingly rootless international power elite able to take advantage of their wealth to exploit national differences to their economic advantage.

At an individual level this is taking advantage of international venues for tax advantage, at the corporate level it takes the form of transfer pricing and the threat to relocate to environs with more favourable labour or taxation rates or with less onerous environmental regulations.

In their lore, these cabals are not so much a vast sea of competing millionaires and corporations, but rather a homogenous elite, aligned in goals -> the One World Government.

They paint over nuance and details of how elite power is fought over in favour of a simplified top-down view.

But we shouldn't really be THAT surprised, in this day and age, that a cartoon character like this has been created.

It was probably inevitable once you're past a certain threshold of inequality in the globe and when elites gain a relative impunity with respect to the bite of taxes and laws and regulations. National identity has had to withstand quite a pressure from a globalized world as well, and this is demonstrated by the extent to which these conspiracies are rooted in a nativist nationalism and fear of usurpation by outside powers.
 
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I'll take a stab at it.

Globalist, person who wants all decisions made in favor of their own selves (described as their country).

And globalist, person who naively ignores the reality of the interconnected, inter-entangled, interdependent world.
 
Praktik said:
It was probably inevitable once you're past a certain threshold of inequality in the globe and when elites gain a relative impunity with respect to the bite of taxes and laws and regulations. National identity has had to withstand quite a pressure from a globalized world as well, and this is demonstrated by the extent to which these conspiracies are rooted in a nativist nationalism and fear of usurpation by outside powers.
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It was also largely inevitable once technology got to a certain level, allowing easy access to world-wide markets. Once it became cheaper to ship products halfway around the world rather than make them all locally, someone was bound to take advantage of that. To think otherwise is to disbelieve in the driving force behind capitalism and commerce.

And once you've started down that path, it's natural that those most inclined to a "globalist" mindset will succeed where "nationalists" fail. Deliberately hamstringing yourself in order to support an inefficient system just leaves you vulnerable to the competition.

And that's where a lot of the hate for "globalists" comes from. They're just the latest group of people who are winning the economic game, and as such are the targets for the hatred of those who are losing.
 
I think we're largely in alignment, however I wouldn't want to term this attitude as simply "sour grapes" - there very much is a power imbalance stemming from all this "winning", and its used to ensure more "winning".

The power of this conspiracy rests in the fact a lot of people are genuinely frustrated by what is seen as a different set of rules for the wealthy and another set for everyone else.

I don't think these would be such successful ideas in the masses if it was just an example of envy and "sour grapes" - it speaks to how big the kernel of truth under the lattice of conspiratorial fantasy really is, that these ideas seem to be gaining in strength and virulence. Its a mirror to the growing advantages breeding more advantage and I would hypothesize these are strongly correlated things, if we could measure this kind of thing objectively.
 
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Praktik said:
I think we're largely in alignment, however I wouldn't want to term this attitude as simply "sour grapes" - there very much is a power imbalance stemming from all this "winning", and its used to ensure more "winning".
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But that's always been true. Rich people have always had greater opportunity and leniency in society. And they've always attracted some hate for that. The only thing that changes is who exactly is perceived as being "rich" at any given time. These days, it's the "Globalists".
 
So you think it IS "just sour grapes" and "envy"?

I just think thats probably too dismissive of the dynamics at play here... but maybe we're arguing over a characterization that would be hard to demonstrate either way.
 
IIIClovisIII said:
I've never really pinned down what a globalist is supposed to be, and how Putin, Duterte, Ahmadinejad, Trump, or other such "rebel" people are good for the world because they're ostensibly against globalism.

Using context clues it makes me think of the NWO conspiracies and one-world government. Teh UN, NATO, EU, Muslim haters, Muslim backers, Jew haters, Jew backers...

It's really incoherent.
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Think international Jew. For a concise intro to the topic, see this article by Churchill ....


http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm

"International Jews
In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race.
..............
It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. "
 
Praktik said:
oy-vey, here we go! :rolleyes:
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I have no "in" to Judaism, nor do I expect one through marriage etc, but I hold no animus.

In fact... I've always respected the overall result that they used "brains over brawn" to leverage their fairly insular, and oppressed, community into a superior position in the realms of international banking, gemology (primarily diamonds), business in general and such.

I couldn't join the ranks (theological differences to say the least), but I bet it rocks to be "the man".

Let me know when the "Jewish Mafia" starts leaving bodies in their wake in NYC and Chicago and I'll care.
On the other hand... I'll never agree with "tank diplomacy" on the West Bank or elsewhere.
But in business... why the envy?

Obviously... I'm neither an apologist or an anti-Semite.

They're wealthy because they took the long view a thousand years ago and were smart (and a closed culture).
They're rightly ostracized because they've been brutal in their resistance to genocide.
They have to live with both realities.

Can't win for losing. :rolleyes:

(and this post is the most concerted thought I've given to Jews/Judaism in months, if not longer... they're just that important in my life :rolleyes: )
 
Saggy said:
Think international Jew. For a concise intro to the topic, see this article by Churchill ....


http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm

"International Jews
In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race.
..............
It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. "
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Gay Kocken Affen Yam.
 
Jim_MDP said:
I have no "in" to Judaism, nor do I expect one through marriage etc, but I hold no animus.

In fact... I've always respected the overall result that they used "brains over brawn" to leverage their fairly insular, and oppressed, community into a superior position in the realms of international banking, gemology (primarily diamonds), business in general and such.

I couldn't join the ranks (theological differences to say the least), but I bet it rocks to be "the man".

Let me know when the "Jewish Mafia" starts leaving bodies in their wake in NYC and Chicago and I'll care.
On the other hand... I'll never agree with "tank diplomacy" on the West Bank or elsewhere.
But in business... why the envy?

Obviously... I'm neither an apologist or an anti-Semite.

They're wealthy because they took the long view a thousand years ago and were smart (and a closed culture).
They're rightly ostracized because they've been brutal in their resistance to genocide.
They have to live with both realities.

Can't win for losing. :rolleyes:

(and this post is the most concerted thought I've given to Jews/Judaism in months, if not longer... they're just that important in my life :rolleyes: )
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To be fair, there was The Purple Gang:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purple_Gang
 
Jim_MDP said:
I have no "in" to Judaism,
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I may have found an "in" in last few years - turns out our family name on my mom's side was East German, Appfelbaum, and they turned their name into a fake Estonian one at some point in the late 1800s when they emigrated there...

So we hear this is a jewish name, but serfs and such were a mixed lot. So there's chance my family on my mom's side were "secret jews", or its possible they got lumped in with an "Appfelbaum" name some other way but weren't jews.

Anyway, some interesting history there Im sure!.
 
dudalb said:
Don't forget Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegal......

Sad fact is that Jews were a major force in American Organzied Crime in the 20th Century...in alliance with La Costra Nostra.
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And, see in conjunction with Churchill's comments on the Jews in the Soviet apparatus, this article ..

Stalin's Jews
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish..

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
 
IIIClovisIII said:
I've never really pinned down what a globalist is supposed to be, and how Putin, Duterte, Ahmadinejad, Trump, or other such "rebel" people are good for the world because they're ostensibly against globalism.

Using context clues it makes me think of the NWO conspiracies and one-world government. Teh UN, NATO, EU, Muslim haters, Muslim backers, Jew haters, Jew backers...

It's really incoherent.
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You clearly have not been keeping up in Is The Earth Spinning or Stationary? thead! Your definition is outdated.

A globalist is simply someone who believes the Earth is a sphere. As opposed to what it really resembles-a piece of floor tile. Let the truth be known!
 
Where is Saggy getting all these ideas confirmed for themselves.

Not here.

Contemptible indeed!
 
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