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What happened to Nancy Lieder?



ZetaTalk: Earth Farts
written Jan 9, 2007



On Monday, Jan 8, 2007 there were reports of what appeared to be a monstrous gas leak in New York City and nearby Jersey City. No gas leak was ever found. Rochester, NY reported 4 broken water mains during this same time frame. Marine tankers report their alarms for methane going off, but no leaks found. About a dozen people were taken to hospitals complaining of breathing problems
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From here.

I'm still not convinced that Planet X was the Big Event it was portrayed as. To my knowledge, not a single person off the Internet knew anything about it, and the only "movement" that seemed to alter peoples' lives was some group over in Japan. I never saw an independent news story about people killing or bankrupting themselves, leaving their homes or jobs, or whatever. Even so, Phil Plait's group pretty much chased me out of town for voicing these doubts.
 
Thanks for digging that up. I was at work last night and try to limit my Internet surfing to a few message boards.

I would be interested to see what others have to say on the subject. I didn't think Zetatalk ever reached People's Temple or Aum Shin rykyu level, but the attitude of the website was disturbing to say the least.
 
Just to refresh memory...

The Real Dangers Of Armageddon
The world was supposed to end on May 15th 2003 when a brown dwarf passed through the solar system causing catastrophic upheaval and killing 90% of life on Earth. Though it did not happen, this so-called "Planet X" may still represent a danger to life and livelihood.
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She is still posting regularly at godlikeproductions.com as far as I can tell. Apparently those wacky Zetan's are just as chatty as ever.
 
Did any of them have any explanations for why their "photos" of Planet X from 2003 either didn't represent Planet X immenently about to cause global catasrophic whatever or did, but Planet X for some reason changed it's orbit?

(I hate to do this but...) I thought not.
 
I would never chase anyone out of town! It's illegal.

But I did hear from lots of folks affected by Lieder's nonsense. I would never have done anything more than write up a page debunking her if that were the case; I prefer to let goofiness at that level of insanity burn itself out.
 
The Bad Astronomer said:
But I did hear from lots of folks affected by Lieder's nonsense.
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Define "affected" and "lots." What made their stories credible? And what were the demographics?

BTW, was there ever any evidence that she actually did kill one of her dogs to save it from Planet X? Or was that just another one of her loony claims that the "skeptical" community seized upon without verification?
 
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The point about euthenizing pets was Lieder's advocacy of it, and the danger of such a mentality, not necessarily that people were doing it. Phil never said that Planet X believers were putting down dogs, but that Lieder was suggesting it.
 
The story, told by Lieder, was that she had euthanized one of her dogs; it was accepted unquestioningly, almost gleefully, by skeptics. I questioned the veracity because we had only Lieder's word that it had happened, and it didn't mesh with her claim to have other pets which she didn't euthanize.

At any rate, I never saw any independent evidence that Lieder was as big a threat as was claimed. The whole Nancy Lieder/Planet X affair occurred in virtual isolation from the rest of the world; I doubt I would have heard of it at all if I hadn't been interested in astronomy. If anyone did euthanize any pets on Lieder's say-so, I'll bet they were suggestible enough, absent Lieder, to have found another reason to do so.
 
I seem to recall Nancy talking about putting down her dogs on some L.A. radio morning show; when point-blank asked if she had done it, she didn't say "yes" directly, but started talking about how it was easy and painless, and they didn't feel a thing...

After they got off the phone with her, the announcers were all somewhat horrified. "Playing with the kooks is fun, until they TURN on you..."

There was an mp3 link on the BABB for a while. I don't know if it is still there.
 
I don't dispute that she said she put down her dogs, but I question whether she actually did it. I also point out that so-called skeptics appear to have quite happily abandoned their skepticism on this point.
 
Raja said:
There was an mp3 link on the BABB for a while. I don't know if it is still there.
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I'm not able to find working versions online, but I do have a pair of the clips (from 2003) in question if anyone wants them -- one from WIOQ (Philadelphia) and another from KROQ (Los Angeles). The latter is the one you'd mentioned in your post. She did clearly state in the Q102 appearance: "I had a wonderful German Shepherd and we put it to sleep because we knew what was going to happen."
 
Footnote: in a 2004 (tinfoil) radio appearance, Lieder claimed she put her dog to sleep for reasons other than Planet X (see the bottom of this page), contradicting her earlier statements. I have the audio of that program as well (why, I don't know... :boxedin: ).
 
Beady said:
I don't dispute that she said she put down her dogs, but I question whether she actually did it. I also point out that so-called skeptics appear to have quite happily abandoned their skepticism on this point.
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So people become "so-called" skeptics if they think a kook might have followed through on doing something kooky she said she had done?
 
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So people become "so-called" skeptics if they think a kook might have followed through on doing something kooky she said she had done?
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They become so-called skeptics when they don't apply their standards of evidence across the board. Lieder was known to "misrepresent" the truth; nothing she said could be trusted. Why, then, take her word at face value on anything? If a convicted perjurer testifies in a court of law, their testimony is not accepted without independent corroboration. So-called skeptics abandoned their skepticism and accepted the dog story at face value despite the evidence (Lieder's record of untruthfulness and embellishing her own story), simply because it suited them to do so.

Any claim a known kook makes is extraordinary, and requires extraordinary evidence.
 
I had an email clash with Nancy in July 2003, 2 months after planet X's non-appearance. I said "what happened to planet X then, when can we expect planets Y and Z?" to which she replied "it is coming you unobservant moron!" which moved me to respond "the aliens I'm in touch with say the ones you're in touch with are full of c[rule 8]p!" and got the reply "yes, but you're not world famous for this contact are you?:)"

Not a good skeptical debate, but these 'end-of-world' fear-mongers really get my back up, I'm afraid.
 
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