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What do you 'live for'?

Winter

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Asking random strangers didn't produce much .. besides confusion - but I'm pretty sure everyone here's quite conscious of what they live for (if anything).

Just to prevent a possible onslaught of psychological egoist type replies, ("Myself, and my interests"); I'm curious what your actual interests are.

Pleasure? Power? Money? Family? .. Candy?
 
Winter said:
Asking random strangers didn't produce much .. besides confusion - but I'm pretty sure everyone here's quite conscious of what they live for (if anything).

Just to prevent a possible onslaught of psychological egoist type replies, ("Myself, and my interests"); I'm curious what your actual interests are.

Pleasure? Power? Money? Family? .. Candy?
That for which I live is Man; or rather, the True Self of Humanity, Man Who is a Species-Being. I detest egoists and individualists of all breeds. I do not care about private man or civil society. I am not concerned at all with myself, with my individuality, with my happiness; nor my family, nor my country, nor my race. I care not whether you shall live or die, nor of the fate of any other individual. I am never concerned with particularities. They are what I believe to be existent UNREALITY. I only care about the Whole, which is what defines all particularities. Thus, I only care about Man in His Reality Who is a Species-Being and the acquirement of Species-Consciousness on a massive scale among the underdeveloped.
 
hey Ixabert, I want some of whatever you're smoking man.
This bush bud I've got is useless.

Truly it must be some good ◊◊◊◊ to be able to make up words like "particularities".

Anyway Winter my simple answer to your post would be that I live for mental stimulationmainly. Hobbies and reading and stuff like that. If I ever stop being able to enjoy my own mind then it'll all be over for me.
 
SkepticPete said:
hey Ixabert, I want some of whatever you're smoking man.
This bush bud I've got is useless.
What do you mean? I do not smoke anything. I do not see how it is relevant, besides, whether I smoke or no.
Truly it must be some good ◊◊◊◊ to be able to make up words like "particularities".
No, you are mistaken. It is a word:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=particularity&r=67
Anyway Winter my simple answer to your post would be that I live for mental stimulationmainly. Hobbies and reading and stuff like that. If I ever stop being able to enjoy my own mind then it'll all be over for me.
This is egoism.
 
Ok so I'm an egoist?

That means you detest me? hmmm

Mate I'm sorry about the bad drug reference joke.

But then Ive got to hand it to you.........to be able to compile a paragraph of words that make no sense at all to me without the use of drugs is quite a feat.

They are what I believe to be existent UNREALITY. I only care about the Whole, which is what defines all particularities. Thus, I only care about Man in His Reality Who is a Species-Being and the acquirement of Species-Consciousness on a massive scale among the underdeveloped.

I am truly alone in not being able to comprehend what you are saying?

And I've got to ask.........why do you detest me if my lifestyle and actions don't interfere with your life?
 
to be able to compile a paragraph of words that make no sense at all to me without the use of drugs is quite a feat.
What doesn't make sense? Everything I said makes complete sense. Nothing I said is incomprehensible. In fact, it is very easy to understand. Posting the same ideas, and reading the responses to them, on other internet forums confirms this. Point out for us sentence by sentence what you do not understand, what precisely you do not understand about it, and I can easily explain it for you.
I am truly alone in not being able to comprehend what you are saying?
What do not you understand? Maybe you should read my other posts in the Philosophy and Religion forum.
And I've got to ask.........why do you detest me if my lifestyle and actions don't interfere with your life?
SEE? That is the type of thinking I detest. It is this type of thinking - individualist thinking - and our material life which as a result of this thinking overemphases civil society - these oppose our species-being, our True Self. I am not an egoist. I do not care about things just because they interfere with my lifestyle. I am a communal being. I am a species-being, not an egoist, not a monad, not an atomised particularity separated from the community, separated from that which defines me. Society does not consist of isolated atoms. Society consists of interrelationships. Everything is interdependent. And every individual is defined by how he related to things external. Considered by himself in islation he is a nothing, has no reality.
 
Re: Re: What do you 'live for'?

Ixabert said:

That for which I live is Man; or rather, the True Self of Humanity, Man Who is a Species-Being. I detest egoists and individualists of all breeds. I do not care about private man or civil society. I am not concerned at all with myself, with my individuality, with my happiness; nor my family, nor my country, nor my race. I care not whether you shall live or die, nor of the fate of any other individual. I am never concerned with particularities. They are what I believe to be existent UNREALITY. I only care about the Whole, which is what defines all particularities. Thus, I only care about Man in His Reality Who is a Species-Being and the acquirement of Species-Consciousness on a massive scale among the underdeveloped.
I think Neo said it best... Whoa.
 
It's not much of a choice, I think all forms of value and pleasure are built into our biology as a survival trait, along with other powerful beliefs such as religion and even non-religious values.

If you are looking for a casual answer, I'd say basically live like a hard-working bird; nesting, foraging, attracting mate(s), and of course flying occasionally.

Additionally, I don't see any reason to reject religion, if it makes you feel good and you don't care about the negatives that it causes. You're gonna die anyway. Sure, you're fooling yourself. So what?
 
This notion, Ixabert, always strikes me as a kind of impossible escape attempt. Maybe I'm missing something but...

You despise egoists and individualists, and are only concerned with True Self of Humanity, the whole (Does that mean you know what’s good for the whole?). You don’t care about family, country, or anyone’s life… But this type of thinking is still all about what you care about, what you think is important, and what you think it’s right to care about.

You are not concerned with your happiness, and are not an egoist? That’s not what I'm getting. You, like everyone else, seem very concerned with your concerns. You want what you said you want; barring death, you can’t escape it. Even if these wants are 100% about helping humanity as a whole, they are still your wants, and, unless you choose an action without first feeling a motivation (randomly?), then you must find some form of personal pleasure in them.

I am a communal being. I am a species-being, not an egoist

It seems to me we are all communal beings, none “an atomised particularity separated from the community”, and we all know it. Everyone I know is dearly concerned with their interrelationships.

I also don’t understand how we can fail to be our True Selves. We are what we are.

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Anyway, I agree with American in the what to live for department. I live for what I’m built to live for, like any other organism.

I live for my family, relationships, work, simple curiosity, a strong instinct to avoid death, and the many other sources of motivation humans are built to feel. Sure, many of those motivations are found in what I think is the good of humanity as a whole, but I’d be fooling myself to claim that my instances of selflessness were truly selfless. All of it is simply what this self does, as my part of the whole.
 
Pete, Winter - Welcome. Enjoy.

I would have to arrange my "live for" priorities somewhere along these lines... These are not hard lines in that they are often blurred, overlap, conflict, or completely change.

1. Family / Friends = The enjoyment of being with them, watching and helping them to grow and improve their lives.
2. Self improvement = Physically, financially, emotionally and intellectually.
3. Physical / mental Stimulation = Mnt. Biking, video games, sex, travel, etc.
4. Society = Making my small contribution to the world.

I'm sure I'll think of more and add them in as we go.
 
After reading what Scot C. Trypal said in respons to Ixabert's reply, I am tempted to say I live to serve Scot :D.

Seriously though, by saying to detest any egotist, it is really being that which you detest. It seems to me a simple way to attract attention to yourself, by being 'different' and 'radical' in your thinking, by trying to fit yourself with that which you think most others will not, seems to me to be crying out "look at me, I am better then you!" I could go into some lame babble about lack of attention by your perents, but it's about as much use as a big fat Placebo, so I won't bother...

To be honest, as an aspiring Genetic Major, I must say that I live to pass my genes on to the next generation, thus ensuring the survival of my species and the continuation of a nice, healthy, gene pool. Boring, to be sure, but if you think about it it means all the more sex for me! :D :D :D

EDIT: I forgot to add, Ixabert, you really should look up Adam Smiths Invisible Hand theory ;)
 
American said:
It's not much of a choice, I think all forms of value and pleasure are built into our biology as a survival trait, along with other powerful beliefs such as religion and even non-religious values.

If you are looking for a casual answer, I'd say basically live like a hard-working bird; nesting, foraging, attracting mate(s), and of course flying occasionally.

Additionally, I don't see any reason to reject religion, if it makes you feel good and you don't care about the negatives that it causes. You're gonna die anyway. Sure, you're fooling yourself. So what?

Well, I'm off to the Rapture Ready board to learn what I have to do when Jesus comes. I'm now quite confident that it will be any day now because I just found myself agreeing with everything in American's post.

Ixabert-
That for which I live is Man; or rather, the True Self of Humanity, Man Who is a Species-Being. I detest egoists and individualists of all breeds. I do not care about private man or civil society. I am not concerned at all with myself, with my individuality, with my happiness; nor my family, nor my country, nor my race. I care not whether you shall live or die, nor of the fate of any other individual. I am never concerned with particularities. They are what I believe to be existent UNREALITY. I only care about the Whole, which is what defines all particularities. Thus, I only care about Man in His Reality Who is a Species-Being and the acquirement of Species-Consciousness on a massive scale among the underdeveloped.

You can count me in as being in the confused camp. Perhaps I could understand it better if you gave some examples of how you carry out this philosphy on a day-to-day basis. It would also help if you explained what lengths you would go to to achieve your goals
 
Right now, confusingly, I'm living to find something that I want to live for.

Perhaps the journey is life itself, and there is no end.

I guess I'll never figure out.
 
What do I live for?

Beer!

















Oh yeah, and that powdered gravy that Harveys put on their fries!
 
jimmygun said:
Oh yeah, and that powdered gravy that Harveys put on their fries!

I was in Montreal and found that I really like poutine. Harvey's was pretty good, but my younger colleagues (who stayed out late so had more opportunities) prefered BK.
 
I live for experience, good and bad. I live for my children, to make for them the best life I can. Otherwise, my life is entirely about gathering experiences.
 
Ability

Nice question.

No matter what other goal I make up for myself, one goal always remains: the acquisition of knowledge and understanding. That is what ultimately allows you to accomplish anything else that you live for. It is my sincere belief that understanding is the basis of all conflict resolution, love, hate (lack thereof for that one), etc. I live for the spread of that understanding for the benefit of all that will listen. Everything else is tangential, since understanding must come first.
 

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