Seriously, what do we still have against France that would make people destroy wines or boycott Frech products. So they didnt exactly want to be drug into our war. I think the last the French want is to get into a war. France has been one of America's closest allies. I dont really think that boycotting French products is going to exactly cause them to cease to be one of our allies, but seriously is America going to alienate all countries who in the future might not appreciate what we do. Personally I like my French products. I like the moderately priced French wines and the Eau de toillette (I dont speak French so I dont know how to spell it), and everything about France. The only product I dont like is Tressemme Shampoo and Conditioner, that stuff lacks quality. Why would we go boycotting French products and continue to deminish tourism to France. Its a stupid thing for only stupid people to do.
What do we got against France
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Stupidity ?
Charles C. Boycott, an English land agent in Ireland in the late 1800s.
So let's see, Bush'n'Blair went to the UN to get backing for a war to disarm Saddam. Chirac said, "Non", and wanted to carry on with inspections. So France became the bad guys.
Bush'n'Blair decided that the problem of Saddam's WMDs was so immeditate, they subsequently sent their forces in anyway. But currently troops are having a hard time disarming Saddam because they're having some trouble finding the weapons. But France are still the bad guys. Hmmm...
Bush'n'Blair decided that the problem of Saddam's WMDs was so immeditate, they subsequently sent their forces in anyway. But currently troops are having a hard time disarming Saddam because they're having some trouble finding the weapons. But France are still the bad guys. Hmmm...
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I ahve nothing against France...........
Its the french I have a problem with.
Its the french I have a problem with.
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Ok, so what do I have against France? Well, lets see:
- Obviously the entire Iraq situation is one thing. Personally, I think France's efforts to stand in the way of the invasion were self serving (they were owed billions, AND they were selling weapons to Iraq very recently.) Ok, they wanted inspections to continue... why didn't they offer to provide troops or money to help forces there? It costs money to station troops so far away, and Blix said that the main reason why Saddam was 'cooperating' as much as he did was because of American forces. So, France wanted expensive troop deployments to continue, but not have to pay for them.
- Does anyone remember several years ago, France was testing nuclear weapons in the pacific. This, despite pretty much every country in the world was opposed. (Note: I believe Russia and the US had decided to ban all nuclear testing by that time, and even if they hadn't, they certainly weren't doing it in other's territory.)
- The stereotype of the 'rude' frenchman... Ok, Americans might not like the French, but what are the attitudes of the French to the Americans?
- The whole WW2 thing... Many French people were quite willing to collaberate with the Germans
- This applies to Frances actions to Canada only: STAY THE F*CK OUT OF OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS! Canada has a province (Quebec, mostly french) that wants to Separate. France has repeatedly taken actions to encourage that separation, from Charles de Gaulle's "Vive le Quebec Libre" to recent comments about how they'd recognize Quebec independence even if every other country said they wouldn't.
- Obviously the entire Iraq situation is one thing. Personally, I think France's efforts to stand in the way of the invasion were self serving (they were owed billions, AND they were selling weapons to Iraq very recently.) Ok, they wanted inspections to continue... why didn't they offer to provide troops or money to help forces there? It costs money to station troops so far away, and Blix said that the main reason why Saddam was 'cooperating' as much as he did was because of American forces. So, France wanted expensive troop deployments to continue, but not have to pay for them.
- Does anyone remember several years ago, France was testing nuclear weapons in the pacific. This, despite pretty much every country in the world was opposed. (Note: I believe Russia and the US had decided to ban all nuclear testing by that time, and even if they hadn't, they certainly weren't doing it in other's territory.)
- The stereotype of the 'rude' frenchman... Ok, Americans might not like the French, but what are the attitudes of the French to the Americans?
- The whole WW2 thing... Many French people were quite willing to collaberate with the Germans
- This applies to Frances actions to Canada only: STAY THE F*CK OUT OF OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS! Canada has a province (Quebec, mostly french) that wants to Separate. France has repeatedly taken actions to encourage that separation, from Charles de Gaulle's "Vive le Quebec Libre" to recent comments about how they'd recognize Quebec independence even if every other country said they wouldn't.
Frostbite said:
Hey Frostbite, heard about the "anyone making outrageous claims has the burden of proof on them"?
Well, you don't get much more outrageous than saying all Frenchmen are NOT all beret wearing, cycling, cheese eating, surrender monkeys!
Back up your claim or Jon_in_londons point stands! (And no quoting French sources thats just Argumentum ad populum and wont count!)
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Actually, that has been changing over the past several years as the French begin to understand the importance of tourist revenue.
I'm 95 % certain that this one was just sarcasm, but if I'm wrong:
So does that mean that we have to be mad at the Germans, too? And all of Germany's allies in that war? What is the statute of limitation for being mad about a war? The U.S. has fought England, Spain, Mexico and a variety of other countries; is the time to be made at them over?
France aided the U.S. during its fight for independence.
Segnosaur
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Ladewig said:
How much has it changed though? Got any statistics? (I don't either; I'm just wondering.) I've seen anecdotes on line about Americans treated badly in France in the past, but of course as you know, "the plural of anecdotes is not data".
And is it a case where they are being nice to our face, and then insulting the US once they have their tourist dollars? Is it only the tourism industries (and the ones that rely on exports) that are more favourable to the US, or is it something common throughout all french society?
Ladewig said:
Yes, it is silly to carry a grudge over war too long. Leaders change, attitudes change.
A difference between Germany and France is that everyone knows Germany was the 'bad guy' (including the Germans themselves). But, there seems to be this 'myth' of the heroic french resistance when the real events support a different view.
Just wondering, how do the French view their own history in WW2? Do they acknowledge their mistakes at all? (Note: I do acknowledge that all countries have a habit of 'white washing' their histories.)
Ladewig said:
Actually, the French king was responsible for that, the same guy that was later killed in the revolutions that followed.
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I'm kind of glad France didn't join the coalition, as they likely would have just gotten in the way.