"Wet Goddess" Can bestiality Ever Be OK?

[madurobob]

OK, first of all: eewwww.

No thats over with, this:

Malcolm Brenner, 60, wrote "Wet Goddess," a new book about a man's nine-month sexual relationship with a dolphin -- an affair that bears "a striking degree of resemblance" to his own interspecies romance.

I think the general consensus is sex between two consenting adults is OK, and its the consent issue that excludes any human/animal sexual relations.

Brenner argues:

"What is repulsive about a relationship where both partners feel and express love for each other?" Brenner asked. "I know what I'm talking about here because after we made love, the dolphin put her snout on my shoulder, embraced me with her flippers and we stared into each others' eyes for about a minute."

"This was not some dog trying to hump my leg, okay. This was a 400-lb. wild-born female dolphin. She was an awesome creature."

"As self-aware mammals, dolphins are capable of making profound emotional attachments to other dolphins and, apparently, to selected humans as well," Brenner said. "A dolphin can die of loneliness, of a broken heart, of separation anxiety."

So, anthropomorphism aside, at what point would you admit that a given Human/non-Human sexual relationship was consensual and therefore ethically OK?

 

[ConspiRaider]

If a dolphin courted me I would flip 'er off.

 

[uk_dave]

If a dolphin courted me I would flip 'er off.

/thread

 

[sloinker]

I'm actually wondering about the mechanics of it. Are dolphin penii and mans similiar? I hear down south that gator wrestling leads to romance........but that's down south where beastiality is more mainstream. j/k

 

[Pardalis]

It hasn't been OK even since Equus, why should it become OK with this?

 

[NotJesus]

Hmm.


Hmm.


Nope. Still 'eewww' for me. Bye.

 

[Resume]

Isn't there some kind of Brazilian myth/legend about a woman and a dolphin?

 

[Dessi]

I think the general consensus is sex between two consenting adults is OK, and its the consent issue that excludes any human/animal sexual relations.

For a start, there are very strong objections to beastiality from an animal rights perspective.

Have you ever actually seen a beastiality community? Do a search for one on Google, you'll get a feel people's motives and how they fetishize it.

People will often keep public diaries filled with their fantasies of mostly an absurd sort like dolphin ***********; sometimes they're personal accounts of a very terrifying sort like chicken ***********, where the animals are too small for safe penetration, so the animals thrash and flail violently, and often die from internal damage.

I got the impression that they aren't really into zoosadism per se, but really view animals as a kinky sex toy. In their universe, some people **** pies, other people **** chickens, what's the difference?

So, yes, I think there is a very strong objection to beastiality not only because its non-consentual, but animals are tangibly and severely harmed or killed in the process.

So, anthropomorphism aside, at what point would you admit that a given Human/non-Human sexual relationship was consensual and therefore ethically OK?

Given a genuine relationship based on mutual affection, where an animal is not harmed, I think you'd be hard-pressed to come up with a persuasive moral objection.

 

[slingblade]

I remember a scene in the novel Shogun, in which some of the Japanese characters are trying to figure out Blackthorne's sexuality. They aren't sure he likes women, as he hasn't "pillowed" one to their knowledge, so they offer him a boy. He is horrified.

Then one character says, "Let's offer him a duck. Just put it on the floor, and say nothing. We'll see what he does."

 

[Mark6]

Dolphin *********** is only going to be dangerous for the human. VERY dangerous if dolphin is male[1], and far from safe even if it is other way around. Tursiops are bigger than humans, have rather larger genitalia, and have no idea that humans cannot hold breath for fifteen minutes.

[1] Male dolphins had made amorous advances onto human females many times. Which is one of the reasons "swim with dolphins" water parks now only use juveniles.

 

[ponderingturtle]

OK, first of all: eewwww.

No thats over with, this:


I think the general consensus is sex between two consenting adults is OK, and its the consent issue that excludes any human/animal sexual relations.

Brenner argues:


So, anthropomorphism aside, at what point would you admit that a given Human/non-Human sexual relationship was consensual and therefore ethically OK?

We rape animals all the time, it is called animal husbandry. Do you think bulls consent to having a large electrode pushed up their rectum and turned on? As it is masturbating livestock is only considered perverse if you enjoy it, if it is just a job no one blinks an eye.

 

[Cainkane1]

I read about orangutangs who have raped human women. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangutan A woman who was studying these creatures wrote about her cook being violated by one. I doubt if the orang was thinking he was doing anything wrong.

 

[madurobob]

Given a genuine relationship based on mutual affection, where an animal is not harmed, I think you'd be hard-pressed to come up with a persuasive moral objection.

Thats where consent comes in. How can you know if its a "genuine relationship based on mutual affection"? How can an animal possibly consent when we can't really communicate with it?

And, no, my corporate overlords own my computer, even though its my internet connection. I don't think I'll risk googling bestiality communities just now

 

[madurobob]

We rape animals all the time, it is called animal husbandry. Do you think bulls consent to having a large electrode pushed up their rectum and turned on? As it is masturbating livestock is only considered perverse if you enjoy it, if it is just a job no one blinks an eye.

Or, if someone else enjoys watching it.

Its just a job to the girl in the pony show in Tijuana. Not so much for those in the audience.

 

[Spindrift]

I'm actually wondering about the mechanics of it. Are dolphin penii and mans similiar? I hear down south that gator wrestling leads to romance........but that's down south where beastiality is more mainstream. j/k

That was my question, but I was going to put it a little more succinctly:

How the hell do you **** a dolphin?

 

[I Ratant]

I'm actually wondering about the mechanics of it. Are dolphin penii and mans similiar? I hear down south that gator wrestling leads to romance........but that's down south where beastiality is more mainstream. j/k

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I've heard that along the Nile, coitusing with a female crocodile is a rite of passage... or almost certain death.

 

[madurobob]

That was my question, but I was going to put it a little more succinctly:

How the hell do you **** a dolphin?

Not surprisingly you google "how do you **** a dolphin" and click the first link

 

[caniswalensis]

OK, first of all: eewwww.


So, anthropomorphism aside, at what point would you admit that a given Human/non-Human sexual relationship was consensual and therefore ethically OK?

eewwww indeed.

I don't know that I could ever condone an act of beastiality, but I find the question interesting, much like similar questions about when is it OK to abort a fetus, or if sentient robots like in star wars deserve human rights.

I have a cat. He loves to be petted and often approaches me and demands it, even going so far as to rub his head against my hand or swat my hand with his paw until I do so. He is not so fond of having his belly rubbed. He will put up with it a bit, and then he kicks my hand away. Clearly, my cat consents to be petted, but not to have his belly rubbed. I can see this sort of basic communication being valid for other human/animal interactions.

I suppose that if an animal was the clear aggressor, or instigator in the encounter, it could be taken as a form of consent. If the animal approaches the human of it's own volition, and then initiates physical contact of a sexual nature, it would seem to be that the animal desires that.

It would be rather important to eliminate the possibility of conditioned behavior as a factor. If the animal is only doing a "trick" to get a reward of food or something, then of course that is exploitation, and not an example of true consent.

I have to say I feel a little slimy thinking about the idea this much. I think I need to go scrub my brain. I am as open-minded as the next guy, but sex with an animal seems like a really bad thing on a number of levels.

 

[I Ratant]

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People will often keep public diaries filled with their fantasies of mostly an absurd sort like dolphin ***********; sometimes they're personal accounts of a very terrifying sort like chicken ***********, where the animals are too small for safe penetration, so the animals thrash and flail violently, and often die from internal damage.

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Way back when, the Ayatollah Khomeni recommended against sex with a lioness, stating pigeons were safer.
He was also capable of diagnosing a women's medical situation by looking at which side of the inner thigh the monthly flow went.
This of course would mean all women have medical (instead of mental ) problems every month...
To someone as ignorant and arrogant as the Ayatollah.. or any of these "bearded billy goats", this probably was universally believed.

 

[citizenzen]

When Koko signs, "Me so horny. Me love you long time. Me sucky sucky."

Then maybe ... just maybe ... bestiality might be okay.