Waterboarding Rocks!

[kallsop]

CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

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The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
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Awesome! A little water in the nostrils is very effective.

.... and more, in the New York Times ... Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

 

[YeahDude]

CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

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The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
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Awesome! A little water in the nostrils is very effective.

Who let Jack Bauer out of his cage?

 

[ponderingturtle]

How serious can these supposed thwarted attacks have been if there is no prosecution? Seems nothing criminal was happening.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

And, I suspect, it would've been trumpeted to the skies before now. The previous administration seemed perfectly happy leaking if it worked for them.

 

[Policenaut]

But I heard about this thwarted attack along with the thwarted Brooklyn Bridge attack many years ago. What I don't think anyone knew then was how they got the information leading to the busts. This seems like a logical explanation. Releasing the reports detailing this would seem to be in the public interest if it is in fact true.

 

[leftysergeant]

I do not for a moment trust the word of an official of past administration without there having been a successfull prosecution of a terrorist suspect. Clinton manged it , why couldn't the Shrub?

I suspect that someone may be lying to cover his own sorry butt.

 

[Texas]

And, I suspect, it would've been trumpeted to the skies before now. The previous administration seemed perfectly happy leaking if it worked for them.

The information is top secret just as the recently released memos were so why not release them so we can have the full story. While we are at it I would like for Obama to release the legal advice memos that authorised him to send drones into Pakistan to kill terrorist suspects and anyone else in range of the bomb.

 

[Texas]

How serious can these supposed thwarted attacks have been if there is no prosecution? Seems nothing criminal was happening.

KSM is scheduled for prosecution so your point makes no sense.

 

[Dr Adequate]

The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

The weasel word here is "including".

The use of "enhanced techniques", including setting fire to my neighborhood, sure fixed that problem I had with ants in my kitchen.

Some might say that other methods would have worked just as well, but my methods, which were successful, included arson.

Arson rocks!

 

[leftysergeant]

KSM is scheduled for prosecution so your point makes no sense.

There is also the possibility that he would be found by a competant judge to be nuttier than squirrel droppings and the evidence gathered from him by the interrogation useless for forensic purposes.

 

[applecorped]

The weasel word here is "including".

The use of "enhanced techniques", including setting fire to my neighborhood, sure fixed that problem I had with ants in my kitchen.

Some might say that other methods would have worked just as well, but my methods, which were successful, included arson.

Arson rocks!

Are you equating gathering info on 9/11 with ants in your kitchen?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but the U.N. Convention Against Torture (signed and ratified by the U.S.) says"

ANo exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political in stability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.

So even if this highly suspect story were true, it would be irrelevant. I might find some good end in robbing someone (like paying off some bills, or paying for a medical treatment I can't afford), but robbery is still a crime.

 

[Texas]

The weasel word here is "including".

The use of "enhanced techniques", including setting fire to my neighborhood, sure fixed that problem I had with ants in my kitchen.

Some might say that other methods would have worked just as well, but my methods, which were successful, included arson.

Arson rocks!

Obama is going to have to overcome 5 CIA directors', including his own, testimonies to convict anyone and convince a jury that roughing up terrorists should send people to jail.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...-yielded-high-value-information-says-cia-memo

WASHINGTON, April 22 — President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.

“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qaeda organisation that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday

“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.

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[Texas]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but the U.N. Convention Against Torture (signed and ratified by the U.S.) says"



So even if this highly suspect story were true, it would be irrelevant. I might find some good end in robbing someone (like paying off some bills, or paying for a medical treatment I can't afford), but robbery is still a crime.

THe UN has no army.

 

[Texas]

There is also the possibility that he would be found by a competant judge to be nuttier than squirrel droppings and the evidence gathered from him by the interrogation useless for forensic purposes.

You forget that he had already publicly confessed his involvement in 911 BEFORE he was captured and no one from Al Qaeda contradicted him.

 

[leftysergeant]

THe UN has no army.

I translate that as "We're the US of A and there is not a bloody thing anyone can do if we decide to go rogue on your butts."

I would actually like to live in a civilized country. This used to be one, and could be again, but the role that critters like Rummy, Gonzo and Yoo play in shaping it needs to be sharply curtailed, like made small enough to flush down the toilet.

(I'll be there willing to tip the lever, BTW.)

 

[applecorped]

I translate that as "We're the US of A and there is not a bloody thing anyone can do if we decide to go rogue on your butts."

I would actually like to live in a civilized country. This used to be one, and could be again, but the role that critters like Rummy, Gonzo and Yoo play in shaping it needs to be sharply curtailed, like made small enough to flush down the toilet.

(I'll be there willing to tip the lever, BTW.)

Get a new translator on your way to your new civilized country.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Obama is going to have to overcome 5 CIA directors', including his own, testimonies to convict anyone and convince a jury that roughing up terrorists should send people to jail.

It took me a while to figure out what on earth you were talking about there. Because you're not referring to the real world, but rather to a rightist fantasy-land at right angles to reality.

So, for your information, Obama has not argued that anyone should be sent to jail for waterboarding, and indeed his Attorney General, Eric Holder, has recently stated:

It would be unfair to prosecute dedicated men and women working to protect America for conduct that was sanctioned in advance by the Justice Department.​

 

[Peephole]

"We don't torture."

Two years later.

"Ok, so we did torture but it got us valuable intel! We're telling the truth this time, honestly!"

 

[Texas]

It took me a while to figure out what on earth you were talking about there. Because you're not referring to the real world, but rather to a rightist fantasy-land at right angles to reality.

So, for your information, Obama has not argued that anyone should be sent to jail for waterboarding, and indeed his Attorney General, Eric Holder, has recently stated:

It would be unfair to prosecute dedicated men and women working to protect America for conduct that was sanctioned in advance by the Justice Department.​

Yes and now he has fip flopped and stated that the lawyers that wrote the legal opinions and policy makers are subject to prosecution. Try to keep up.