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wait a sec..i am confused

Digest

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so while trolling the LC forums due to extreme boredom and i found this...

CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez called for changes to Venezuela's constitution Wednesday night, delivering a key address pitching reforms that are expected to allow him to be re-elected indefinitely. etc...

I cant post the link because of post count but its in thier latest news section - They scream foul and how this of course will lead to war and NWO stuff and how horrible Hugo is... my confusion is

Wasnt The Dictator Chavez a supporter and hero to the truth movement? Didnt Willam R go and meet this guy and they posted all this info about how he cried for the condeming of Bush for the crime of 9/11?

I mean as most sane people could see this guy was a psycho nutjob they embraced him as a truth speaker.

Is this just more of the truthers turning on themselves? These guys remind me more and more of a pack of wild jackals:boggled:
 
if you think of it like a truther...

He is being put in power to help with future false flags that help to bring more rules and less freedoms.
 
Digest said:
Is this just more of the truthers turning on themselves? These guys remind me more and more of a pack of wild jackals:boggled:
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They are the very thing they fight. Sometimes, like with Chavez, they make it a little more obvious to everyone.

In a couple hours or less they'll be right back to casually chatting about crushing dissent by hanging their opposition "when the time comes"...
 
I guess i was just confused why would anyone associate themselves with him in the first place - but when you need supporters i guess you can be picky as a truther... but as fast as they turned on him - or how he turned on them - it just made me think of the the old ---

you reap what you sow. :p
 
So does this mean that the Truthers will side with the CIA the next time they try to finance a coup against Chavez?
 
incidentally, chavez has won ten internationally monitored elections in a row.. to the best of my knowledge the most of any serving head of state
 
plumjam said:
incidentally, chavez has won ten internationally monitored elections in a row.. to the best of my knowledge the most of any serving head of state
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I don't think anyone is disputing the legitimacy of his Presidency.
 
plumjam said:
incidentally, chavez has won ten internationally monitored elections in a row.. to the best of my knowledge the most of any serving head of state
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Really? And which ten would those be? I can only think of four at the most.
 
And most of what Chavez has done seems to be benificial to the poorest in Venezuela. It is the rich and powerful who's toes he has stepped on and who churn out the anti-Chavez propaganda. So far Chavez seems to have been remrkably democratic in the face of serious provocation (the role of the USA in the attempted coup of 2002 is still arguable). Sorry to sound like a "truther" in this but if you look at the track record of the US Secret Services in Central and Southern America from the 1950s onwards (Guatemala, Cuba, Chile, Nicaragua, Grenada etc) you can't blame the Venezuelan government for being leery at least.
 
I'm thinking we have a politics forum discussing the legitimacy of Chavez's actions and how the evil rich people produce all the propaganda and how Chavez is a hero of the poor for shutting down dissenting media, "forcing" his opponents to sit out elections, and then "democratically" clearing the way for him to be president for life.

Erm. Oops?
 
Parsman said:
And most of what Chavez has done seems to be benificial to the poorest in Venezuela.
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Tell me, how is limiting the number of hours that they can work to 6 hours a day going to help the poor?

It is the rich and powerful who's toes he has stepped on and who churn out the anti-Chavez propaganda.
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Oh, is that why he shut down the media outlets critical of his reforms?

So far Chavez seems to have been remrkably democratic in the face of serious provocation (the role of the USA in the attempted coup of 2002 is still arguable).
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Hmm, so that means that nationalizing industry, enforced price controls and restrictions on the freedom of the press are the hallmarks of a democratically run society.
 
From a recent TV program in this country (the UK) there were many examples of the multiple media outlets in Venezuela still broadcasting and still routinely making anti- Chavez statements. Incidentally, I have no proof that he will not become a dictator, just that the evidence (what we are meant to evaluate here) is still out on that one.

BTW if the policy of a party standing for election was to nationalise industries and enforce price controls and they won the election then yes that is democracy. Just because it doesn't chime with the way things are done in the US doesn't make it anti-democratic.
 
Parsman said:
From a recent TV program in this country (the UK) there were many examples of the multiple media outlets in Venezuela still broadcasting and still routinely making anti- Chavez statements.
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Do you understand the absurdity of this argument? It's -ok- to silence dissent as long as you don't silence -all- of it?

Would you say the same if Bush shut down the NY Times and LA times but left up the dailykos and Perry Logan's cable access show in Austin?

BTW if the policy of a party standing for election was to nationalise industries and enforce price controls and they won the election then yes that is democracy. Just because it doesn't chime with the way things are done in the US doesn't make it anti-democratic.
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The part that is anti-democratic is the part where they bullied the opposition parties out of elections so that they can "win" and take their new "democratic" mandate and make him President For Life (a very democratic idea, to be sure).
 
defaultdotxbe said:
not to derail but thats been enigmas pro-LCF argument of late, lol
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That's actually an excellent point.

Also, derail away. This is off-topic for this forum anyway.

Chavez used to be the hero of the truth movement and now is clearly a villian. I suspect because the truth movement is losing it's "lefty" feel.. and heading into more general conspiracism. That means it's heading more hyper libertarian.
 
Being honest, I am worried that the tone was that Chavez is some sort or lunatic demagogue. I don't like that his government would attempt to stop expressions of free speech. I have seen no reports by independent electoral authorities which say that any of the Venezuelan elections he has won have caused serious cause for concern in terms of their democratic qualities. This doesn't mean he might not edge towards dictatorship but in some ways is this not a self fullfilling prophecy by elements in the USA, given the way that they have behaved towards Chavez himself and other left of centre governments in Latin America in the recent past? Allende in Chile anyone?

And yes this probably should be in the politics forum, is not really a conspiracy theory.
 
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