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Vote Flipping

Oliver

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Oliver
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Kaylee said:
Not all machines have a paper trail. That's just one of the many, many problems.

Here are some links:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org
http://www.verifiedvoting.org

http://www.wheresthepaper.org/news.html
(scroll down for section under Fraud and also furthur down for problems listed by year and state.

Or watch a movie:
http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/
(can be downloaded and watched for free)
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I saw HBO's "Hacking Democracy", which was quite hair-raising,
but I guess that "stealing America" is new to me. But why in the
world would anyone allow any voting machine that doesn't provide
paper trails? [I guess "vouchers" is a wrong translation]
 
Oliver said:
I was just reading the DailyKos and it seems as if there are
voting machines that flip the vote, namely a machine named
ES&S Touch-Screen.

Anyone in here who voted on such a machine yet - or is likely
to vote on such a machine on Nov. 4?

And for the DailyKos haters - other Media is reporting the same
thing:

http://news.google.com/news?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=ES&S iVotronic&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

Let me guess: The ES&S machines also don't provide any
vouchers, right? :(
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They have to do something to neutralize all that ACORN fraud, don't they?;)
 
The reason it is allowed, Oliver, the WHOLE reason, was to allow the GOP to steal elections. The "Help America Vote" act the GOP pushed through after they needed the Supreme Court to steal the 2000 election made their win in 2004 possible and is going to be used to steal this one if they can.

See http://www.bradblog.com/ for the up-to-the-minute news on this issue from an objective source. (He is not a Democrat or a Liberal! And he is proof that I can get along with non-Democrats as he is a good friend of mine.)
 
BenBurch said:
The reason it is allowed, Oliver, the WHOLE reason, was to allow the GOP to steal elections. The "Help America Vote" act the GOP pushed through after they needed the Supreme Court to steal the 2000 election made their win in 2004 possible and is going to be used to steal this one if they can.

See http://www.bradblog.com/ for the up-to-the-minute news on this issue from an objective source. (He is not a Democrat or a Liberal! And he is proof that I can get along with non-Democrats as he is a good friend of mine.)
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html
 
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BenBurch said:
The reason it is allowed, Oliver, the WHOLE reason, was to allow the GOP to steal elections. The "Help America Vote" act the GOP pushed through after they needed the Supreme Court to steal the 2000 election made their win in 2004 possible and is going to be used to steal this one if they can.

See http://www.bradblog.com/ for the up-to-the-minute news on this issue from an objective source. (He is not a Democrat or a Liberal! And he is proof that I can get along with non-Democrats as he is a good friend of mine.)
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I honestly don't see how the "Help America Vote Act" improves anything.
But to say that House and Senate were conspiring against "we the people"
sounds absurd as well - to be honest.

And I also thought that the counties decide about what kind of voting
machines they will use in elections - or at least that the state decides.
Does HAVA overwrite State-regulation? :confused:
 
Anyone having experience with voting machines yet in early voting states?
 
BenBurch said:
The reason it is allowed, Oliver, the WHOLE reason, was to allow the GOP to steal elections. The "Help America Vote" act the GOP pushed through after they needed the Supreme Court to steal the 2000 election made their win in 2004 possible and is going to be used to steal this one if they can.

See http://www.bradblog.com/ for the up-to-the-minute news on this issue from an objective source. (He is not a Democrat or a Liberal! And he is proof that I can get along with non-Democrats as he is a good friend of mine.)
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:rolleyes:

Unless you were being funny, which I hope you were, because I think of you as much smarter than that.
 
Hypothetical, but honest, question: If vote theft is so widespread and easy, why do we only hear about the Republicans doing it? Do they just cheat better?

Are Democrats too busy trying to save the world? Thought never occurred to them?

Seriously, if this is real, why not cheat back? Or are they already doing so?
 
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