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Video clips of North Korea

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Ixabert said:
Here are video clips of the northern half of my nation. :)

First three are 'must see':[/url]

I watched most of one and all of two.

Why are they must see? I saw nothing of interest in either.

Does the third contain pics of naked Korean chicks?

Oh, I have a cool jpg of north and south korea. Let me see if I can google it up...


...Oh, here it is

Korea-at-Night.jpg


Commies go to bed EARLY!

Must be a rule or something.
 
Re: Re: Video clips of North Korea

Rob Lister said:
I watched most of one and all of two.

Why are they must see? I saw nothing of interest in either.

Does the third contain pics of naked Korean chicks?

Oh, I have a cool jpg of north and south korea. Let me see if I can google it up...


...Oh, here it is

Korea-at-Night.jpg


Commies go to bed EARLY!

Must be a rule or something.
Wow... that's pretty shocking. I found the bigger pic of that satellite photo:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/dprk-dmsp-dark-old.jpg

It's like the Flintstones living next door to the Jetsons.
 
Be patient, observers of dark North Korea. Ixabert will soon debunk these photos. You see, NK is actually a prosperous country and these photos are western propoganda. ;)
 
Re: Re: Re: Video clips of North Korea

Psiload said:
It's like the Flintstones living next door to the Jetsons.

Hey, how about that Barney guy! He's some actor, eh?
 
varwoche said:
You see, NK is actually a prosperous country and these photos are western propoganda. ;)

I'll believe that when they get a McDonald's happy-meal contract.
 
Re: Re: Video clips of North Korea

Idiots!

It is called "zatemneniye" in Russian ("blackening" or "blackout" in English). Turning off the lights at night to prevent bombing.

During WW2 or drill periods in USSR, even ciggarette lighters were forbidden to use at night in USSR.

Didn't you know that?

Just visit it and see it yourself.

Also, because of America's current hostile policy, the bolstering of U.S. forces along the border, simulated air strikes, being labelled a "terrorist regime", etc., as part of war preparation it is well known that the DPRK has nightly blackout drills, in which all power is shut off, and during which time the people are often herded into underground bomb-proof shelters. All this is according to Western sources (BBC, the Guardian, etc.). Just another war preparation the citizens of the DPRK have to participate in, thanks to America.

Even according to the U.S. government, the black outs, when they do occur, only occur at night. They are occasional and momentary, usually not lasting for any more than a few minutes. The photograph was taken during one such major blackout. People from the National Laywer's Guild, who visited the DPRK and experienced one such blackout, said that it only lasted a few minutes. PBS, in a documentary, also experienced one such blackout, and reported the same thing.

Other countries have down the same thing.

In addition to blackout drills, they have been known to have power outages, which is partly why they are pursuing a nuclear energy programme, a programme which the U.S. is arrogantly pressuring them not to pursue. However, most likely those pictures were taken during blackout drills or "zatemneniye". Remember that the DPRK is still technically at war, and has been at war since the Fatherland Liberation War, and they have witnessed innumerable simulated air strikes and the like. they have plenty of intelligence suggesting that the US will bomb the DPRK.
 
IIRC we are sending $80 million dollars worth of food to NK because the people are starving in the worker paradise.

Virgil
 
Ixabert said:
Idiots!

It is called "zatemneniye" in Russian ("blackening" or "blackout" in English). Turning off the lights at night to prevent bombing.

During WW2 or drill periods in USSR, even ciggarette lighters were forbidden to use at night in USSR.

Didn't you know that?

Just visit it and see it yourself.

...

The photograph was taken during one such major blackout.

We're not looking at a standard photograph.

The image we're looking at is made by adding multiple satellite passes across the Earth's surface over several nights.

A single snapshot is not used because it's not possible to take such a snapshot. Also, there are clouds. Your explanation is very clever, but I'm afraid it won't account for the method that was actually applied.

Here is an explanation for how it was done over the US.

MattJ
 
How about this one?

It's not that North Korea is dark, it is that South Korea is very bright. This is because South Koreans glow in the dark, due to the fluoride put in their tap water by the Soviets back during the cold war. No fluoride was put in North Korea, because they had already been conquered. Also, they might not have running water.
 
Originally posted by Ixabert
Just visit it and see it yourself.

I have - and it's one of the most wretched countries I've ever been to. My father has those same propaganda videos you've linked to us in the original post on tape.

The "blackout to prevent bombing" excercise is just an excuse to the populace to cover up the fact that the North Korean goverment barely has any energy to run the place. Thus, killing two birds with one stone:

1) Making the populace paranoid about aerial bombardment and keeping them in line.

2) Solving the Energy problem.
 
Kopji said:
Pssst! In case the NK people have not heard this yet, nobody's used window lights to target anything for years.

Indeed - The North Korean government just...."forgot" to tell it's people about that small little detail.
 
Hi Ixabert,

As a skeptic I have to question propaganda from both sides when it comes to North Korea. I have to consider that these videos might actually depict typical life of many or most people of North Korea or they just might be showing us what the government of North Korea wants us to see.

The problem is that I have to consider the sources. Most of what I know about North Korea comes from various peoples and groups. Most are non-governmental sources, including human rights workers who can at times be very critical of the American administrations and would like to see a change in the way America deals with your country. I know that the Western governments, press, activists, etc. are not all in agreement about the correct way to deal with North Korea so there is reason to believe that much of what we hear that is coming out of your country from these human rights workers is likely accurate. On the other hand we have information directly from North Korea which is a communist state. There is no freedom of speech or freedom of the press. There are no alternative views. Unlike your country, in the West everything is debated. So it is difficult to grant any credibility to the information that you give us.

Furthermore the kidnapping of Japanese citizens and the husband and wife film makers whom the world knew nothing about make it very difficult to trust North Korean propaganda.
 
RabbiSatan said:
I have - and it's one of the most wretched countries I've ever been to.
I know innumerable people who have been there who would say the opposite. You are the only person I know who claims to have been there who says it is 'wretched'.
The "blackout to prevent bombing" excercise is just an excuse to the populace to cover up the fact that the North Korean goverment barely has any energy to run the place. Thus, killing two birds with one stone:

1) Making the populace paranoid about aerial bombardment and keeping them in line.

2) Solving the Energy problem.
I agree 100% that they have energy problems. I also acknowledge the fact that they have black out drills, and "zatemneniye", which even Western media acknowledge, and I know that even when they do occur, they do not last for a long period of time.
 
First of all, I am from south Korea, not the DPRK.
RandFan said:
The problem is that I have to consider the sources.

Hello RandFan: Sources are a problem for me, too, and Amnesty International, US government, south Korean government, Japanese government do not seem to me to be reliable sources, when (in the case of the US and south Korean governments in particular) their intention is to black the images of 'communist states' (which the south Korean gov't sees as a real threat). I employ original, not second-hand, sources: namely those of self-described 'defectors', visitors, and citizens of country, because in proportion as DPR-Korea is, of necessity, a highly 'secretive' country, in that same proportion anyone concerned with the truth is necessarily impelled to limit his sources of information to those people who have in fact set foot upon the country; because all else, again, owing to certain realities endemic to northern Korea, is, at the very best, guesswork and speculation; at worst, and this has been demonstrated to be the case repeatedly, there is an obvious intention to blacken the image of DPR-Korea. This is not something I merely suspect, but something which has been repeatedly substantiated beyond peradventure of doubt; and even people who hate the DPRK should admit this truth.

of the three main types of sources I employ, first there are the defectors. I am most sceptical of them, in general, and you should be sceptical as well, because:

-Not a single 'defector' has ever produced any evidence that he was ever actually a citizen of the DPRK: no birth certificates, etc.

-Some so-called defectors have even admitted fabricating evidence because journalists monetarily recompensed them for making up horrifying stories about the country.

-A considerable number of the defector-tales are distinguished by either internal inconsistencies and contradictions, or contradicy reports of other defectors; or are otherwise full of obvious absurdities. Moreover, some of their stories conflict with what we already undoubtedly know about the DPRK.

-The borders are very tightly guarded along the entire border of the DPRK and especially along the Chinese side of the DPRK-Chinese border. It is unlikely, to say the least, that such a huge wave of defectors have not only 'escaped' the DPRK, but so easily into China, particularly. Add to this, supposedly they are escaping en masse to China.

So, then we have amnesty international - an organisation founded in the heat of the Cold War to be used as a weapon in the psychological war against communism, funded by the CIA, founded by a European lawyer IIRC, very sino-phobic and with a definite anti-slavic bias - whose case against DPR-Korea is based largely upon 'defectors' stories. And people believe it, in spite of the obvious problems i mentioned above.

what could account for such a singular case of credulity? Well, even if you detest everythiing about communism, it must be owned that the common man on the street has been bombarded from all sides with violent anti-Communist diatribe all his life. He has been carefully trained to detest with every cell in his body everything relating to communism. When hearing anything about north Korea, therefore, one of the last 'communist states', whose leaders he wouldn't doubt to know eat babies, he questions not a single statement, responds to each tale with not a scintilla of criticism, of scepticism, of doubt whatsoever.

Yet, on the other hand, thankfully (otherwise we wouldn't be able to know much about the DPRK), there exist people who have actually set foot on the DPRK, and unlike the so-called defectors are able to substantiate this: I am speaking of the many visitors, and such people are among those whom I think to an extent reliable - not entirely, but moreso than people who can't substantiate that that they have been to the country. And contrary to popular notion, there is a considerable number of such people.

There are also the citizens of DPR-Korea, their media, their publications, etc. These sources seem to me to be somewhat more reliable than the nefarious U.S government. I should like to see a comparison of the disinformation campaigns conducted by the U.S. government in the past, the lies they have shoved down our throats for decades, the fabrications they have planted in the media - this is according to their own declassified documents - who have - there is no denying - a definite anti-communist bias - I say, I should like to see a comparison between all this and the equivilent (if it exist it all) of the DPRK; such a comparison could only effect the conclusion that the DPRK media are more reliable a source than the U.S. government. show me a comparison, please.

Whereas most of your information concerning the DPRK comes from 'various peoples and groups' (i.e. government-funded 'human rights' organisations like amnesty international with a clear anti-communist bias), most of what I know about the DPRK comes from people who have actually been to the country. Your sources, generally, do not attain this requirement.

You say that information from the DPRK is unreliable because supposedly they have not 'freedom of the press'. By that reasoning there are no reliable sources at all. I can't think of a single country wherein there is absolute freedom of the press. and it should be noted that the DPRK is at war (in the technical sense) and is at a very great risk of being the victim of another war of aggression.

You say there are no alternative views in the DPRK, yet one of the other socialist parties has 20% of the seats in the DPRK parliament.

You say that everything is debated in the West. I find this unlikely, but as far as I know, in the DPRK everything is debated as well.

You say on these bases that you cannot grant any credibility to the ifnormation I give you, yet most of my information doesn't even come from the DPRK government.

when many westerenrs talk about the DPRK, they generally don't have their critical thinking caps on, and are in the habit of employing conspiracy theorist methodology. their reasoning seems to me to be rather like this: "if I can't find an elephant in my bedroom, it is only because he is hiding himself very well." i.e. if we can't find atrocities in the DPRK, it is only because they are being hidden very well. this is nothing short of conspiracy theory.
 
This thread reminded me that I haven't looked at CIA World Factbook for a while. That's one source tha I know doesn't always get it exactly right but overall they're pretty accurate.

Do these numbers look right to you, Ixabert?

South Korea,
GDP: purchasing power parity - $855.3 billion (2003 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $17,700 (2003 est.)

North Korea,
GDP: purchasing power parity - $22.85 billion (2003 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $1,000 (2003 est.)

Pretty stark difference, eh? Just a suggestion but as far as the war-cause goes, you might want to chalk this one up as net loss. <--understatement of the week.
 
Beware! Our darkness is our disguise and our Victory! From that darkness, the invincible Korean people will rise! Expell and punish all agressors! Triumph over all oppressors! Achieve outstanding, historic victory over the forces of evil! What those who would do harm to the great Korean people see as darkness, is, in fact, brilliance and the light of the great spirit of Chairman Kim Jong Il!
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"I meant to do that."
 

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