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Update on Operation Northwoods

Malachi151

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I've been going through and updating my site today with lots of stuff, but this I found particularly good.

I got copies of the unclassified documents for Operation Northwoods. Its totally sweet.

Anyway, check it out, its and interesting read:

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/us_military_drafted_plans_for_do.htm

Click on the big document image to get to the entire set of documents.

You may want to breeze through the other sections too if you are into that kind of thing, like I said I've been doing a lot of updating today and yesterday.

I really like the "smoking gun" aspect of this one though. :D
 
Looking through that, Oliver Stone doesn't sound quite so crazy as he's made out to be.

Always good to have a reminder of what the national security state is capable of, especially these days with guys like Bush and Ashcroft running things.

Malachi151 said:
I've been going through and updating my site today with lots of stuff, but this I found particularly good.

I got copies of the unclassified documents for Operation Northwoods. Its totally sweet.

Anyway, check it out, its and interesting read:

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/us_military_drafted_plans_for_do.htm

Click on the big document image to get to the entire set of documents.

You may want to breeze through the other sections too if you are into that kind of thing, like I said I've been doing a lot of updating today and yesterday.

I really like the "smoking gun" aspect of this one though. :D
 
Why is it a kook is tolerated as such on this forum? The "we greenlighted Saddam's invasion of Kuwait" is bunk.

Yet you guys tolerate this crap because it comes from a high school marxist who hates Bush?

If some guy were on here talking about black UN helicopters you would be having a field day.
 
"Was Kennedy a victim of the very plan that he refused to support? "


probably not


Lessee, Kennedy and the Gulf War. I guess the only think you won't believe is that Nixon wasn't a crook.
 
corplinx said:
Why is it a kook is tolerated as such on this forum? The "we greenlighted Saddam's invasion of Kuwait" is bunk.

Yet you guys tolerate this crap because it comes from a high school marxist who hates Bush?

If some guy were on here talking about black UN helicopters you would be having a field day.

You are denying the veracity of these document? I had assumed that since no one was, they were true and everyone was just hoping if they ignored this thread it would go away.
 
Reputable links on Northwoods

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the assassination.

The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.

The national security archive

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”

So it appears that this plan was not fantasy. It never happened, but only because JFK knocked it back. The fact that such a plan could even be seriously raised does indicate the extent to which the US military was off the rails. And they call Gore Vidal and Oliver Stone woo-woo.
 
a_unique_person said:
So it appears that this plan was not fantasy.

I didn't dispute that. What I disputed was the JFK and Kuwait Greenlight kookery.
 
corplinx said:


I didn't dispute that. What I disputed was the JFK and Kuwait Greenlight kookery.

Of course, Bush actually phoned Saddam and didnt just greenlight it but actually insisted the he invade kuwait. He did this so that he could fight a very expensive war and commit his and our country to 12 years of very expensive containment and no-fly zone enforcement and steal all of cuba's oil!!! the evil capitalist swine!

/sarcasm
 
a_unique_person said:


Hang on, I thought we were talking about Northwoods. Where did JFK and Kuwait come from? The plan for Northwoods is a fact.

Malachi's site makes those sort of links. Read the rest of the text on the link in his orginial post.
 
Jon_in_london said:


Of course, Bush actually phoned Saddam and didnt just greenlight it but actually insisted the he invade kuwait. He did this so that he could fight a very expensive war and commit his and our country to 12 years of very expensive containment and no-fly zone enforcement and steal all of cuba's oil!!! the evil capitalist swine!

/sarcasm

So again, do you deny this information:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threat s against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?

Saddam Hussein - As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - What solutions would be acceptab le?

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in Saddam s view, including Kuwait ) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America. (Saddam smiles)

On August 2, 1990, Saddam's massed troops invade and occupy Kuwait.

Journalist 1 - Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)

Journalist 2 - You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait ) but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait.

Journalist 1 - You encouraged this aggression - his invasi on. What were you thinking?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.

Journalist 1 - You thought he was just going to take some of it? But, how could you? Saddam told you that, if negotiations failed , he would give up his Iran (Shatt al Arab waterway) goal for the Whole of Iraq, in the shape we wish it to be. You know that includes Kuwait, which the Iraqis have always viewed as an historic part of their country!
Journalist 1 - American green-lighted the invasion. At a minimum, you admit signaling Saddam that some aggression was okay - that the U.S. would not oppose a grab of the al-Rumeilah oil field, the disputed border strip and the Gulf Islands (including Bubiyan) - the territories claimed by Iraq?

(Ambassador Glaspie says nothing as a limousine door closed behind her and the car drives off.)

And of course you are totally unaware of my full accessment of this matter anyway:

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/invasion_of_kuwait.htm

After the resolution of the Iran/Iraq war Iraq was in sever debt. This debt was undoubtedly a major motivating factor in Saddam’s decision to invade Kuwait.

What’s important to understand about Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait is that right up to the invasion American leadership was giving him every sign that he was an American golden child. That’s what American Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie essentially told Saddam, that, “We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America. "

There is more to this statement then what appears on the surface though. April had never met Saddam before, and when she was called by Saddam to meet she had apparently not been given any specific advice by Washington on the matter. She was basically giving the Washington party line on the matter, but that is significant in and of itself. April was made into a scapegoat on the matter of the American attitude towards Iraq prior to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Basically leaders like Bush and Cheney took the position that those statements did not properly reflect the American position.

Well, if that is the case then it’s their job to make sure that our Ambassadors are knowledgeable of the American position in matters of such critical importance. Tensions in the area were well known, any Ambassador would have been properly advised as to what to tell Saddam had the administration wanted to make sure a message that properly conveyed the intent of the administration would be given to Saddam. In other words, its not April’s fault, it’s the fault of the administration that this is what Saddam was told.

Other actions of the Bush administration after the invasion of Kuwait make a strong case that Saddam was baited into the invasion of Kuwait on purpose in order to give he Bush administration an excuse to use military force against Iraq, which had become a growing power in the Middle East through US assistance.

After the invasion of Kuwait there was a strong opinion in the intelligence community, as well as the Middle Eastern community, that the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam should be handled in an Arab context, not by Western powers. The Saudi defense minister noted immediately that the Kuwaiti situation should be handled by the Arab community and was against foreign intervention.

A proposal was quickly put forward by the Saudis that could have produced a peaceful withdrawal of Saddam’s forces from Kuwait. The proposal was for Kuwait to allow Iraq to remove two Kuwaiti islands that were blocking the entrance to Iraq’s seaport. The islands were barren islands that were owned by Kuwait; they did nothing for Kuwait and they blocked the precious little access that Iraq had to the sea.

The proposal was seen as a face saving measure for Saddam that would allow him to withdraw from Kuwait and still declare a victory. At the same time the action would have provided assistance to the Iraqi economy.

The opinion of James Adkins, attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad from1963-1965 and later U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, was that the Bush administration, most likely President Bush himself, placed a call to King Fahd advising him to have the Saudi Sultan withdraw his suggestion.

This was done and the Sultan made no more public statements on the matter.

The reasoning behind this was that the Bush administration wanted the war to go forward. In fact there were several indications that Saddam was going to pull out of Kuwait without a fight. There were several offers for conditional withdrawal, which were rejected by the United States.

Once the plans for war were underway every action was taken to make sure that Saddam would not commit a peaceful withdrawal so that military action would be able to go forward.

Saddam is definitely to blame here though. Saddam could have withdrawn from Kuwait at any time and spared the attack. Of course he felt that he could not do it unless he got something out of the deal, which America was justifiably not going to let happen.

Basically, America had been looking for a good excuse to gain a stronger military presence in the Middle East for 50 years and this was the perfect excuse, the Bush administration wasn’t going to let it slip away. At the same time, it was in the interest of all of the developed world, and much of the Arab world, not to let Iraq become any stronger, which is why a coalition was able to be put together, basically everyone wanted to keep Iraq down.

Essentially, Iraq was becoming too powerful. Despite its setbacks during the Iran/Iraq war Iraq was still a “well run” and progressive country in 1990. The Iraqi people were well educated, healthcare was good, and the military strength of Iraq was still strong. On top of that the Bush administration was well aware of the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction programs because America was partly responsible for the development of the Iraqi weapons programs.

Because of all these factors, the Bush administration was intent on being able to destroy Iraqi infrastructure as well as significantly hurting the Iraqi military in such a way that Iraq would be greatly set back developmentally so that Iraq would not be able to become increasingly successful, at least not under Saddam.

There was no attempt to overthrow Saddam at the time because it was felt that it may destabilize the region, and because there had not been enough time to put together a satisfactory replacement government. There were many other political issues involved as well, such as George Bush’s fear that American casualties in a push towards Baghdad would lower his popularity rating and hurt his chances at re-election.

Yes, teh US was "looking for an excuse" to attack Iraq because Iraq was quickly becoming the most powerful country in the Middle East and reasching a level of power that would have resulted in Saddam have greater influence in the Middle East than the US or Britain.

That is totlaly unacceptable to America foreign policy, which does dictate that the Middle East is a vital American interest which is to be "protected" by any means recessecary.
 
Malachi151 said:


Yes, teh US was

I refuse to take you seriously until you stop using "teh" like some l33t d00d on irc or JeffK.

Wait, I take that back, after reading your articles at rationalrevolution it has become clear to me.

MALACHI IS JEFFK!
 

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